35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop) - Page 4

betgo · #31 10-03-2006, 06:16 PM

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Someone said earlier "against a thinking player" and there was something else saying "if he's any good" Tell me what reasonable thinking player makes a HU 18x shove? This is a 10r, we are dealing with a non thinking player who doesnt want to play his cards or a thinking player who wants us to think he doesnt want to play his cards. This is very rarely AA or KK, we're looking at ATs+ AQo+ 22-JJ most of the time here, unless you have a read that would suggest he would do this with premium. ALOT of times in these rebuys people are looking to race with mid to small pairs and such because they want to double.

As for what you should do I think either way is fine, if you dont have much of a read I may lean slightly towards folding since your stack is fine now but theres nothing wrong with calling either I dont think. If you have a read that he's sorta standard rebuy player I would lean more towards calling, you're a couple of levels away from feeling pressure and this could definitely be a great spot to pick up a ton of chips.

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You say this is 22-JJ, ATs+, AQ+, but you can fold AKo?????
Wait for a better oportunity????

I think it could be a donk with that range. However, AK, QQ-JJ is about all that makes sense. Also, AA/KK is not impossible, since the early position raiser will probably call with 88+, AK (and you probably are raising in that range most of the time), figuring it is AK/AQ, a middle pp or a maniac.

It seems like you are well ahead of pot odds gainst villain's range, so call and hope for the best.

sdplayerb · #32 10-03-2006, 06:21 PM

I fold it, but can't really fault a call.
I fold since I don't see anyway he has AQ or worse.
You are probably racing, and he could have KK.

If I raised from MP3 or later, I would call.

Sherman · #33 10-03-2006, 06:41 PM

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Nath,

We still have an M of 24 if we fold. It's a $10 tournament right? I am quite confident that with and M of 24, right after the rebuy period, in a 10$ tournament we can find better spots. They will come up.

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It's not a $10 tournament. It is more like a $60 tournament.

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Good point. I think I am going to forbid myself from taking part in any rebuy discussions.

betgo · #34 10-04-2006, 12:52 AM

I hate to post a bad beat, but for all you weak/tighties for would fold here, this is my bust out hand form tonight's $10 rebuy. See you can't assume your oppoments are playing rationally and there are a lot of loose allins.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t11360)
UTG (t11825)
UTG+1 (t15415)
Hero (t10935)
MP2 (t63449)
MP3 (t10150)
CO (t6800)
Button (t12225)
SB (t17690)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, MP2 raises to t1000, 4 folds, BB calls t800, Hero raises to t10935, MP2 folds, BB calls t9935.

Flop: (t22970) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t22970) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t22970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t22970

Results in white below: 
BB has Ac Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t22970.

sdplayerb · #35 10-04-2006, 11:51 AM

nobody is folding preflop in your hand.

Sherman · #36 10-04-2006, 12:05 PM

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I hate to post a bad beat, but for all you weak/tighties for would fold here, this is my bust out hand form tonight's $10 rebuy. See you can't assume your oppoments are playing rationally and there are a lot of loose allins.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t11360)
UTG (t11825)
UTG+1 (t15415)
Hero (t10935)
MP2 (t63449)
MP3 (t10150)
CO (t6800)
Button (t12225)
SB (t17690)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, MP2 raises to t1000, 4 folds, BB calls t800, Hero raises to t10935, MP2 folds, BB calls t9935.

Flop: (t22970) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t22970) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t22970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t22970

Results in white below: 
BB has Ac Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t22970. 

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I'd argue our edge is much bigger in this hand than in the other one (especially given that we are pushing and not calling).

Nez477 · #37 10-04-2006, 12:29 PM

Eric, since you can't really respond....

Betgo is on the right.

betgo · #38 10-04-2006, 12:36 PM

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I hate to post a bad beat, but for all you weak/tighties for would fold here, this is my bust out hand form tonight's $10 rebuy. See you can't assume your oppoments are playing rationally and there are a lot of loose allins.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t11360)
UTG (t11825)
UTG+1 (t15415)
Hero (t10935)
MP2 (t63449)
MP3 (t10150)
CO (t6800)
Button (t12225)
SB (t17690)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, MP2 raises to t1000, 4 folds, BB calls t800, Hero raises to t10935, MP2 folds, BB calls t9935.

Flop: (t22970) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t22970) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t22970) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t22970

Results in white below: 
BB has Ac Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t22970. 

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I'd argue our edge is much bigger in this hand than in the other one (especially given that we are pushing and not calling).

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I know my edge is much bigger in this hand. My point is look at how this donk called my 4-bet allin with AJ. You can't assume an allin in the 2nd hour of the $10 rebuy is a big hand.