Is Another War on the Way?

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Was I wrong in what you wrote originally, a little shock and awe, we will be welcomed as we overthrow the Saddam Govt, we will use the oil to rebuild?

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You are making things up. All my posts are on record. Feel free to quote me from any of my posts but don't invent things... And yes you are wrong....

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Feel free to provide an example of Iraqi oil being used to fund terrorism against the US. The linking of terrorism against us and Iraq is a lie

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I never said this. AGAIN you are making things up.
I ***SAID*** Iraq was a sponsor of terrorism and that their oil no longer sponsors terrorism. It is a FACT, that the US State Dept put Iraq on their list of nations that sponsor terrorism....years ago. How you came up with the claim that I said Iraq sponsor terrorism against the USA is a mystery to me.

It is hard to have an honest debate with a person that makes up fictional quotes about your position. Use the quote function but don't make things up... It is not honest.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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How will we know which countries are involved, 'however small' their role was?

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A better question would be, "How can nuclear terrorists hide the involvement of their financial backers?"
Keeping this a secret would be next to impossible....

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We may as well nuke Pakistan then, since AQ Khan was responsible for flooding the region with nuclear technology.

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I think AQ Khan should be assassinated. I believe nuclear terrorism by Islamic terrorists will occur and millions will die. Khan deserves death...

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You're going to trust the gov to tell you which countries are/will be involved..

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And who do you think should be trusted? The US Govt has the resources and personnel to investigate such a matter. If you can think of someone better then feel free to share.

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and that will justify killing millions and destroying the region's environment, and guaranteeing that the survivors will have one thing on their mind ~ to kill America

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Yes....million will die in a nuclear terrorist attack. So the response must be devastating and so disproportionate that they fear to attack us again. Better to be feared than loved (N.Machiavelli).
As for any survivors, if they are dumb enough to attack the USA with nuclear weapons again, then we will be improving the human gene pool by eliminating them...

[boracay]

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The cowardly appeasing politicans of pre-WWII europe didn't take Hitler's "crazy rhetoric" seriously either.

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the question here is who you have in mind as nowadays hitler?
compare actions and rhetoric of those you have in mind with those you think i have in my mind with hitler.

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Was I wrong in what you wrote originally, a little shock and awe, we will be welcomed as we overthrow the Saddam Govt, we will use the oil to rebuild?

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You are making things up. All my posts are on record. Feel free to quote me from any of my posts but don't invent things... And yes you are wrong....

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Feel free to provide an example of Iraqi oil being used to fund terrorism against the US. The linking of terrorism against us and Iraq is a lie

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I never said this. AGAIN you are making things up.
I ***SAID*** Iraq was a sponsor of terrorism and that their oil no longer sponsors terrorism. It is a FACT, that the US State Dept put Iraq on their list of nations that sponsor terrorism....years ago. How you came up with the claim that I said Iraq sponsor terrorism against the USA is a mystery to me.

It is hard to have an honest debate with a person that makes up fictional quotes about your position. Use the quote function but don't make things up... It is not honest.

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Firstly I have not made up fictional quotes.

I said that

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Sounds like the Iraq game plan.

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Then I said why it sounds like the Iraq game plan:

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Shock and Awe, cheering hordes helping us overthrow the government, the key is oil.

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I suspect you can read english. Perhaps it is not your first language -- in which case it is understandable.

No where did I say I quoted you when I asked you to provide an example of Iraq's terrorism against the US. I am quite fed up with you guys claiming that Iraq is a danger (and the only thing I am interested in is danger to US - the pronoun and the country!).

Frankly I dont give a damn if the state department put Iraq on a terrorist list. If I want to accept everything the state department did, I would have to shut my mind down and kowtow to the bureaucrats in DC. If there is evidence of their terrorist activities I want to know it, if there is none (and there is none) then I want the rest of us to hear it.

It really is difficult to have a debate with people who cannot read and pout if questioned.

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right. and hitler is your favourite leader. poor kid.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Frankly I dont give a damn if the state department put Iraq on a terrorist list.

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Of course not...... If facts contradict your mythical view of the world then close your mind to those unpleasant facts. You a mental slave and you will never evolve into a free thinker.

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If there is evidence of their terrorist activities I want to know it, if there is none (and there is none) then I want the rest of us to hear it.

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It is well known that Saddam paid $25,000 to each Palestianian family that killed jews via a suicide bombings. Here is a more comprehensive list.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/#1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834528/posts

Iraq provides safehaven to terrorist and rejectionist groups and continues its efforts to rebuild its intelligence network, which it used previously to support international terrorism. 5

The Abu Nidal Organization (Fatah Revolutionary Council, Arab Revolutionary Brigades, Black September, Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims) split from the PLO in 1974. carried out terrorist attacks in 20 countries, killing or injuring almost 900 persons. Targets include the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Israel, moderate Palestinians, the PLO, and various Arab countries. The leader, Abu Nidal, relocated to Baghdad in late 1998. Iraq had never admitted Abu Nidal was in the country until reports of his death in Baghdad emerged this week.


Iraq supports and supplies the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, known to be completely controlled by Iraqi intelligence within Iraq's borders. They are primarily an anti-Iranian terror group who killed several U.S. soldiers and civilians working on defense projects in Iran prior to the fall of the Shah of Iran. 6


The Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), led by Abu Abbas, is one of three factions of the original PFLP that split up in 1977. They reject the middle east peace process and use terrorism in their quest to establish an independent Palestinian. Following the attack against the Achille Lauro ship in October 1985, Abu Abbas was expelled by the Tunisian authorities and established his headquarters in Baghdad.


On October 14, 2000, A London-bound Saudi airliner was hijacked. They landed in Baghdad where the passengers were released. Saddam granted the hijackers asylum. The Iraqi regime rebuffed a request from Riyadh for the extradition of two Saudi hijackers. Disregarding its obligations under international law, the regime granted political asylum to the hijackers and time on Iraqi television to vent their criticisms of alleged abuses by the Saudi Arabian Government, echoing an Iraqi propaganda theme.8


Iraq has a long record of supporting terrorist groups and resorting to terrorism as an adjunct of foreign policy. During the 1991 Gulf War I, Saddam planned a series of worldwide terrorist attacks. Most were foiled by US and international counterterrorism efforts.7


In 1993, Saddam attempted to assassinate President George H. Bush (41).


Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the WTC bombing in 1993 entered the US on an Iraqi passport, originating his flight from Iraq. His intelligence file in Kuwait was altered by Iraqi officials during the occupation of Kuwait. Abdul Yasin, also involved in the bombing returned to Iraq and is living in Baghdad.7


In November 2001, two defectors from the Iraqi intelligence services said that Iraq had used Salman Pak, a camp south of Baghdad, to train Islamist radicals in the techniques of terrorism, including training on a Boeing 707 fuselage in the desert.

Salman Pak: An Iraqi Lt. general and Captain Sabah Khodada defected from Iraq and emigrated to the US in May, 2001. In separate New York Times interviews, they described Salman Pak, a highly secret terrorist training camp south of Baghdad. The trainees were Iraqi, and non-Iraqi Arabs.9


Saddam has openly and vigorously supported Palestinian suicide bombers, paying families of suicide bombers $25,000 and building a Baghdad memorial to the first woman suicide bomber.


Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdish Islamic extremist group, has terrorized the northern Iraq Kurd safe-haven over the past 2 years. The group has had al-Qaeda associations since 1989. The Iraqi government provided cash and training to Ansar, in a bid to destabilize the safe haven and weaken armed Kurdish opponents.10

Qassem Hussein Mohamed who is being held in a Kurdish prison, was a Mukhabarat intelligence officer for 20 years. In an April interview by the Christian Science Monitor in Sulaymaniyah, Iraq, he said that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has supported Ansar al-Islam for several years.

"Mohamed compared Baghdad's role to the overt help Iraq given the anti-Iran Mujahideen-e-Khalq forces, which are known to be completely controlled by Iraqi intelligence within Iraq's borders."

"Ansar and Al Qaeda groups were trained by graduates of the Mukhabarat's School 999 -- military intelligence," says Mr. Mohamed."

"My information is that the Iraqi government was directly supporting [Al Qaeda] with weapons and explosives," he says. "[Ansar] was part of Al Qaeda, and given support with training and money."

U.S. officials told Time Magazine they have also obtained electronic messages passed between Baghdad and the group. "There's all sorts of signal intercepts that indicate communications," says a State Department official. "There's clearly a dialogue going on." Those threads, the official tells Time, suggest Ansar had approached Baghdad to obtain help making biological and chemical weapons.


New York Times writer William Safire wrote,16

On Sept. 24, 2001, I reported: "The clear link between the terrorist in hiding [Osama] and the terrorist in power [Saddam] can be found in Kurdistan, that northern portion of Iraq protected by U.S. and British aircraft. . . . Kurdish sources tell me (and anyone else who will listen) that the Iraqi dictator has armed and financed a fifth column of Al Qaeda mullahs and terrorists. . . ."

Well armed and financed by both Iraq and Iran, this affiliate of Al Qaeda has since provided a haven for bin Laden followers exfiltrating from Afghanistan. They tried to assassinate an articulate Kurdish leader, Barham Salih, killing several bodyguards, but their target escaped and several killers were captured. Our National Security Council members did not learn about this bloody engagement, one of them told me a week afterward, until they read about it in The Times.
The Kurds induced the captives and some defectors to reveal that the Ansar cell of Al Qaeda had begun producing poisonous chemicals for export. One product was reported here to be a cyanide cream being smuggled through Turkey. The operation was set up by a man with a limp, the informants said, a key bin Laden lieutenant, Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.




Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian leader of al-Qa'ida, was wounded in the leg in the Afghanistan war. In late 2001 he made it to Iran but was deported and traveled to Syria and then to Baghdad, where he received medical treatment for his leg injury. Afterwards Zarqawi went to northern Iraq and linked up with Ansar al-Islam. Zarqawi is linked to at least two terrorist strikes: a Millennium plot to bomb a hotel in Amman, Jordan, and the Oct. 28, 2002 killing of a U.S. diplomat, Laurence Foley, also in Amman. In December, the Jordanian authorities announced that the two men had confessed to killing Mr. Foley and that they had been directed by Mr. Zarqawi. British intelligence reported that Zarqawi traveled to Turkey where he met with the Algerians and delivered the ricin.15

Zarqawi was sighted last summer at a terrorist camp in South Lebanon, where he took part in a meeting of Islamic militants, including representatives of Iranian-controlled Hizbollah.

Since January 5, 2003, British authorities have arrested several Algerians on suspicion of terrorism using the lethal poison ricin. At one of their apartments, police discovered traces of ricin, a lethal product of the widely cultivated castor bean plant. Zarqawi has expertise in poisons, extensive experience in chemical and biological weapons and has been linked to the Algerians arrested in Britain. One gram of ricin is enough to kill up to 36,000 people. Yesterday, NBC News broadcast US satellite pictures of an Ansar al-Islam terrorism training camp, which includes a building identified by US intelligence experts as a biological and chemical weapons factory. The factory is used to produce ricin and cyanide so deadly that one local villager was accidentally killed during the experiments, according to NBC News.17




Mohammed Atta, leader of the 911 terrorists, met with an Iraqi Intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic in early April, 2001.

Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a second consul and espionage chief in the Iraqi Embassy in Prague, was expelled on April 22, 2001, for suspected espionage. Considering the level of "tradecraft" employed by these al-Qaida, Atta would not have risked being denied reentry to the U.S. or apprehended returning or leaving unless this meeting was very critical to his mission. The CIA and FBI have said that they have no hard evidence of the meeting. This would be consistent with Atta's level of expertise. The major media outlets have spun this to mean the FBI and CIA say the meeting did not occur. That is a misinterpretation. Since then, the Czechs have reconfirmed the meeting. 11, 12, 13, 14



al-Qa'ida members held at Guantanamo Bay, Diego Garcia and elsewhere have told their interrogators that Baghdad was attempting to train al-Qa'ida in the use of chemical weapons.

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Frankly I dont give a damn if the state department put Iraq on a terrorist list.

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Of course not...... If facts contradict your mythical view of the world then close your mind to those unpleasant facts. You a mental slave and you will never evolve into a free thinker.

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If there is evidence of their terrorist activities I want to know it, if there is none (and there is none) then I want the rest of us to hear it.

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It is well known that Saddam paid $25,000 to each Palestianian family that killed jews via a suicide bombings. Here is a more comprehensive list.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/#1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834528/posts

Iraq provides safehaven to terrorist and rejectionist groups and continues its efforts to rebuild its intelligence network, which it used previously to support international terrorism. 5

The Abu Nidal Organization (Fatah Revolutionary Council, Arab Revolutionary Brigades, Black September, Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims) split from the PLO in 1974. carried out terrorist attacks in 20 countries, killing or injuring almost 900 persons. Targets include the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Israel, moderate Palestinians, the PLO, and various Arab countries. The leader, Abu Nidal, relocated to Baghdad in late 1998. Iraq had never admitted Abu Nidal was in the country until reports of his death in Baghdad emerged this week.


Iraq supports and supplies the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, known to be completely controlled by Iraqi intelligence within Iraq's borders. They are primarily an anti-Iranian terror group who killed several U.S. soldiers and civilians working on defense projects in Iran prior to the fall of the Shah of Iran. 6


The Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), led by Abu Abbas, is one of three factions of the original PFLP that split up in 1977. They reject the middle east peace process and use terrorism in their quest to establish an independent Palestinian. Following the attack against the Achille Lauro ship in October 1985, Abu Abbas was expelled by the Tunisian authorities and established his headquarters in Baghdad.


On October 14, 2000, A London-bound Saudi airliner was hijacked. They landed in Baghdad where the passengers were released. Saddam granted the hijackers asylum. The Iraqi regime rebuffed a request from Riyadh for the extradition of two Saudi hijackers. Disregarding its obligations under international law, the regime granted political asylum to the hijackers and time on Iraqi television to vent their criticisms of alleged abuses by the Saudi Arabian Government, echoing an Iraqi propaganda theme.8


Iraq has a long record of supporting terrorist groups and resorting to terrorism as an adjunct of foreign policy. During the 1991 Gulf War I, Saddam planned a series of worldwide terrorist attacks. Most were foiled by US and international counterterrorism efforts.7


In 1993, Saddam attempted to assassinate President George H. Bush (41).


Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the WTC bombing in 1993 entered the US on an Iraqi passport, originating his flight from Iraq. His intelligence file in Kuwait was altered by Iraqi officials during the occupation of Kuwait. Abdul Yasin, also involved in the bombing returned to Iraq and is living in Baghdad.7


In November 2001, two defectors from the Iraqi intelligence services said that Iraq had used Salman Pak, a camp south of Baghdad, to train Islamist radicals in the techniques of terrorism, including training on a Boeing 707 fuselage in the desert.

Salman Pak: An Iraqi Lt. general and Captain Sabah Khodada defected from Iraq and emigrated to the US in May, 2001. In separate New York Times interviews, they described Salman Pak, a highly secret terrorist training camp south of Baghdad. The trainees were Iraqi, and non-Iraqi Arabs.9


Saddam has openly and vigorously supported Palestinian suicide bombers, paying families of suicide bombers $25,000 and building a Baghdad memorial to the first woman suicide bomber.


Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdish Islamic extremist group, has terrorized the northern Iraq Kurd safe-haven over the past 2 years. The group has had al-Qaeda associations since 1989. The Iraqi government provided cash and training to Ansar, in a bid to destabilize the safe haven and weaken armed Kurdish opponents.10

Qassem Hussein Mohamed who is being held in a Kurdish prison, was a Mukhabarat intelligence officer for 20 years. In an April interview by the Christian Science Monitor in Sulaymaniyah, Iraq, he said that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has supported Ansar al-Islam for several years.

"Mohamed compared Baghdad's role to the overt help Iraq given the anti-Iran Mujahideen-e-Khalq forces, which are known to be completely controlled by Iraqi intelligence within Iraq's borders."

"Ansar and Al Qaeda groups were trained by graduates of the Mukhabarat's School 999 -- military intelligence," says Mr. Mohamed."

"My information is that the Iraqi government was directly supporting [Al Qaeda] with weapons and explosives," he says. "[Ansar] was part of Al Qaeda, and given support with training and money."

U.S. officials told Time Magazine they have also obtained electronic messages passed between Baghdad and the group. "There's all sorts of signal intercepts that indicate communications," says a State Department official. "There's clearly a dialogue going on." Those threads, the official tells Time, suggest Ansar had approached Baghdad to obtain help making biological and chemical weapons.


New York Times writer William Safire wrote,16

On Sept. 24, 2001, I reported: "The clear link between the terrorist in hiding [Osama] and the terrorist in power [Saddam] can be found in Kurdistan, that northern portion of Iraq protected by U.S. and British aircraft. . . . Kurdish sources tell me (and anyone else who will listen) that the Iraqi dictator has armed and financed a fifth column of Al Qaeda mullahs and terrorists. . . ."

Well armed and financed by both Iraq and Iran, this affiliate of Al Qaeda has since provided a haven for bin Laden followers exfiltrating from Afghanistan. They tried to assassinate an articulate Kurdish leader, Barham Salih, killing several bodyguards, but their target escaped and several killers were captured. Our National Security Council members did not learn about this bloody engagement, one of them told me a week afterward, until they read about it in The Times.
The Kurds induced the captives and some defectors to reveal that the Ansar cell of Al Qaeda had begun producing poisonous chemicals for export. One product was reported here to be a cyanide cream being smuggled through Turkey. The operation was set up by a man with a limp, the informants said, a key bin Laden lieutenant, Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.




Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian leader of al-Qa'ida, was wounded in the leg in the Afghanistan war. In late 2001 he made it to Iran but was deported and traveled to Syria and then to Baghdad, where he received medical treatment for his leg injury. Afterwards Zarqawi went to northern Iraq and linked up with Ansar al-Islam. Zarqawi is linked to at least two terrorist strikes: a Millennium plot to bomb a hotel in Amman, Jordan, and the Oct. 28, 2002 killing of a U.S. diplomat, Laurence Foley, also in Amman. In December, the Jordanian authorities announced that the two men had confessed to killing Mr. Foley and that they had been directed by Mr. Zarqawi. British intelligence reported that Zarqawi traveled to Turkey where he met with the Algerians and delivered the ricin.15

Zarqawi was sighted last summer at a terrorist camp in South Lebanon, where he took part in a meeting of Islamic militants, including representatives of Iranian-controlled Hizbollah.

Since January 5, 2003, British authorities have arrested several Algerians on suspicion of terrorism using the lethal poison ricin. At one of their apartments, police discovered traces of ricin, a lethal product of the widely cultivated castor bean plant. Zarqawi has expertise in poisons, extensive experience in chemical and biological weapons and has been linked to the Algerians arrested in Britain. One gram of ricin is enough to kill up to 36,000 people. Yesterday, NBC News broadcast US satellite pictures of an Ansar al-Islam terrorism training camp, which includes a building identified by US intelligence experts as a biological and chemical weapons factory. The factory is used to produce ricin and cyanide so deadly that one local villager was accidentally killed during the experiments, according to NBC News.17




Mohammed Atta, leader of the 911 terrorists, met with an Iraqi Intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic in early April, 2001.

Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a second consul and espionage chief in the Iraqi Embassy in Prague, was expelled on April 22, 2001, for suspected espionage. Considering the level of "tradecraft" employed by these al-Qaida, Atta would not have risked being denied reentry to the U.S. or apprehended returning or leaving unless this meeting was very critical to his mission. The CIA and FBI have said that they have no hard evidence of the meeting. This would be consistent with Atta's level of expertise. The major media outlets have spun this to mean the FBI and CIA say the meeting did not occur. That is a misinterpretation. Since then, the Czechs have reconfirmed the meeting. 11, 12, 13, 14



al-Qa'ida members held at Guantanamo Bay, Diego Garcia and elsewhere have told their interrogators that Baghdad was attempting to train al-Qa'ida in the use of chemical weapons.

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Very interesting. I question the authorities and will never be a free thinker. Look in the mirror.

I am aware of the $25,000 payment and really dont care too much, unless you can show me that he was a threat to us, first. People in other countries kill each other, threaten each other all the time. I try not to get worked up over it. First and foremost my govt should be concerned about protecting us - not some distant country.

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I am aware of the $25,000 payment and really dont care too much, unless you can show me that he was a threat to us,

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You denied my claim that Iraq was a country that sponsored terrorism.
I cited that Iraq was on the State Dept's list of terror nations. I cited more examples. Then you just ho-hum it. I suspect trying to reason with you is a waste of time.

I'll try once more because I'm masochistic.....
Do you remember the 1993 assassination attempt on Bush41 when he went to Kuwait? Was this not a direct attack on the executive branch of the USA? Do you remember what Clinton's military response was to this assassination attempt? Do you?

I suspect you do not know and furthermore I suspect you are too lazy to learn the basic facts on topics you opine on....

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I am aware of the $25,000 payment and really dont care too much, unless you can show me that he was a threat to us,

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You denied my claim that Iraq was a country that sponsored terrorism.
I cited that Iraq was on the State Dept's list of terror nations. I cited more examples. Then you just ho-hum it. I suspect trying to reason with you is a waste of time.

I'll try once more because I'm masochistic.....
Do you remember the 1993 assassination attempt on Bush41 when he went to Kuwait? Was this not a direct attack on the executive branch of the USA? Do you remember what Clinton's military response was to this assassination attempt? Do you?

I suspect you do not know and furthermore I suspect you are too lazy to learn the basic facts on topics you opine on....

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Ignoring the pointless personal attacks.

I did not deny that they did not sponsor terroism, although the evidence is sketchy and mostly circumstantial.

I denied terrorism against the US, which is generally accurate.

I will go back to reading your posts but mostly ignoring you, untill you grow up.

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No response with regard to Iraq's assassination attempt on Bush41 in 1993 in Kuwait?
I can't say I'm surprise. I suppose you will argue that trying to assassinate a US president poses no threat.....