Gus and Danny's set over set

[CaseS87]

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This was brought up in another thread...but Daniel played his hand like he had an overpair...which if Gus put him on that overpair, he could be making that check raise move on the river with a straight...that is ONE of the reasons Daniel called.

This was one of those what do I think, he thinks I have, kind of hands.

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no WAY daniel bets an overpair there much less calls an all in check raise with it.

[Shandrax]

First of all, we all know that DN is somewhat of a calling station. Furthermore there is no doubt that Gus is capable of bluff-raising the river and that he will do that at a certain percentage. Last but not least DN was aware that he was about to run into a somewhat insane bad beat and was prepared to pay off the 1-outer. There is certainly a cutoff to everything, but with that much money in the pot, not paying off a 1-outer on the end would probably have required a re-raise of something like 5 million on Gus' part, probably even more.

That hand was a cold deck all the way and well played from both sides. I give Gus huge credit for checking the river.

[unfrgvn]

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pretty sure this proves the show has certain hands that are fixed for TV. as ive said before on here a friend of mine heard directly from bobby hoff, who was asked to be on the show, that that was the case.

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Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another you been messin' around

[Willy]

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pretty sure this proves the show has certain hands that are fixed for TV. as ive said before on here a friend of mine heard directly from bobby hoff, who was asked to be on the show, that that was the case.

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LOL

[legend42]

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Even Daniel wasn't considering them. He was most worried about 99 or 55 and not really 88 (according to his own mumblings), and I think his analysis was right on of course.

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Daniel was mumbling about the hands that beat him. He always does that. But that was not his analysis. He said himself he couldn't believe Gus wouldn't bet the river with those hands- that's why he called. And I guarantee he also considered 95, 85, and 65 as possibilities.

I'm waiting to hear why 95 and 85 don't fit the action, but 65 does.

[RunDownHouse]

I like how the mods thought another thread on this was a good idea. Maybe I'll go start a "Jamie Gold asked to be on HSP!" thread.

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Even Daniel wasn't considering them. He was most worried about 99 or 55 and not really 88 (according to his own mumblings), and I think his analysis was right on of course.

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Daniel was mumbling about the hands that beat him. He always does that. But that was not his analysis. He said himself he couldn't believe Gus wouldn't bet the river with those hands- that's why he called. And I guarantee he also considered 95, 85, and 65 as possibilities.

I'm waiting to hear why 95 and 85 don't fit the action, but 65 does.

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Dude, because it's like 50 times less likely Gus raises PF and calls a reraise with 95/85 than with 65.

[legend42]

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Dude, because it's like 50 times less likely Gus raises PF and calls a reraise with 95/85 than with 65.

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We're talking about Gus Hansen here. I agree 65 is more likely preflop than 85 or 95 (your 50x estimate is hyperbole in action, but you know that), but considering Daniel holds two 6s, I think you have to balance the probabilities out. And the postflop action could represent any of those hands. Even Kaplan said Daniel probably put Gus on 85 or 75 on the turn. But whatever, I'm not trying to be combative, I was just asking why the OP said Gus would make that river move with 65 but not 85 or 95?

[FreakDaddy]

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Dude, because it's like 50 times less likely Gus raises PF and calls a reraise with 95/85 than with 65.

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We're talking about Gus Hansen here. I agree 65 is more likely preflop than 85 or 95 (your 50x estimate is hyperbole in action, but you know that), but considering Daniel holds two 6s, I think you have to balance the probabilities out. And the postflop action could represent any of those hands. Even Kaplan said Daniel probably put Gus on 85 or 75 on the turn. But whatever, I'm not trying to be combative, I was just asking why the OP said Gus would make that river move with 65 but not 85 or 95?

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Don't even know why I waste my time sometimes... Gus is not raising and calling a raise with 85 or 95 out of position against Daniel. MAYBE he might make this kind of move against a weaker player when he has chips to spare in a tournament... MAYBE. Gus is an aggresor who doesn't like calling unless he has a big hand. He would either fold those hands or re-raise them, not call with them... good lord.

Other than that if you think Gus is checking raising the flop with 85, you're out of your mind.

You've obviously never played high stakes...

[ClonexxSA]

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Even Daniel wasn't considering them. He was most worried about 99 or 55 and not really 88 (according to his own mumblings), and I think his analysis was right on of course.

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Daniel was mumbling about the hands that beat him. He always does that. But that was not his analysis. He said himself he couldn't believe Gus wouldn't bet the river with those hands- that's why he called. And I guarantee he also considered 95, 85, and 65 as possibilities.

I'm waiting to hear why 95 and 85 don't fit the action, but 65 does.

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Gus may raise, then call a reraise, with a hand like 56s. Gus is not raising and then CALLING A RERAISE with a hand like 85 or 95. Maybe in a tournament, but not in a cash game.

You seem to think Gus is a stupid tournament donkey, when that is about as far from the truth as possible. Gus is capable of raising with 85 or 95, especially suited, trying to make a move or misrepresent his hand. He will not call a friggin reraise with those hands. With 56s I think he may, since the hand has a chance to flop really well, even against AA.

I also love everyone saying they would toss the hand. The only thing most people here would toss in that situation is their cookies. (Myself included)