Ceasars poker room--stupid is as stupid does!

[balt999]

Yes Mason,

But no human being should go through the crap they go through at the high limit games and not get compensated fairly for it. It's very discouraging to hear the abuse some dealers take from these degenarates high limit players who think they're better than everyone else. Just because you play in the "big game" doesn't give you the right to act like a douchebag!

[Dynasty]

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Management at "ceasars" would be more likely to take your advice if you could actually, you know, spell Caesar's.

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It always amuses me when some spelling nazi comes along to correct someone else's mistake and then makes a completely different mistake in the process.

The correct spelling is: Caesars Palace

It's not "ceasars" like in the original post. And, it's not "Caesar's" like in the nazi correction post.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi balt999:

Have you ever spent any time sitting or watching the high limit game. I have. And the abuse that you talk about doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is that players like Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Barry Greenstein, David Grey, etc. are quite professional when it comes to the dealers.

In fact, their game in many ways is much easier to deal since when a problem comes up, the players usually agree on a solution themselves and the dealer or floorpeople usually are minimally involved.

I do agree that some of the players you see on TV are poorly behaved, but these are not the players in the big game.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Randy:

The only figure he gave was $18 for the down. That sounds fairly good to me.

best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Terry:

Part of the reason it is more stress is that the ultra high limit players, just like I do, insist on competent dealers. This means no extraneous talking in the box, paying attention to the game, following all procedures properly, etc. Caesar's, like most new rooms, has problems in this area. Fortunately, as this thread shows, they are aware of it and I expect improvement there over time.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi balt:

The reason you go to a bigger room is that their games are more stable and you'll make a better income because there will be less down time. Also, company benefits can vary among casinos.

However, if you are happy where you are, then it's my advice to stay there. But tips are certainly better in games like $15-$30, $20-$40, and $30-$60 hold 'em than they are at the smallest limits.

Best wishes,
Mason

[FUJItheFISH]

mason

please give us the dirt on who the rude players are. we live to hear these kinds of things. you bust cards, don't you?

thanks,
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[bigfishead]

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mason

please give us the dirt on who the rude players are. we live to hear these kinds of things. you bust cards, don't you?

thanks,
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I have dealt to Mason on a fairly regular basis in both the 30-60 and the 80-160 game at Bellagio. I have seen him take horrible beats like we all have. He has never EVER while I was in the box shown the least bit tilt let alone broke a card or winged a card in my direction with any extra ferver. The closest to tilt I can say I have witnessed is a somewhat subdued exhale. Harldy readable by most. He has alway been fine by me. Tokes me a buck most every hand too. Certainly not on a blinds steal.

BTW,
Thanks again Mason.

[bigfishead]

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Hi fishhead:

Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't a dealer's job roughly the same whether it is a ultra high limit game or a much lower limit game? You seem t be saying that when you deal an ultra high limit game, that you deserve and are entitled to a much higher wage (mostly in tips) than you are at any other game.

Following through on your logic, why doesn't Caesar's (or any room for that matter) increase the wage of dealers who are dealing in the higher limit games. Furthermore, continuing with your logic, it seems to me that you are also saying that dealers make far too much when they deal low limit games.

As for dealers being pulled out of the box, I have made that exact request on a few occasions in my poker career. Usually the cardroom turns me down, but there have been times when they agreed and the dealer was given a break.

best wishes,
Mason

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I think you took it wrong Mason. The guy got ONE (1) $18 down. The others were 5-8 bucks. I dont say they/we should get more because its a ultra high limit. But certainly not LESS!! ESPECIALLY since they want the best dealers.

4-5 years ago I was pulled out of the main lineup to deal 1 particular game only along with one other dealer. Archie (you know the Archie I mean) was being backed by Becky Behnens husband (his name escapes me) in a 800-1600 game. I made $12 for my 7 downs in that game while "lesser dealers" were making a regular nites wage in the rest of the room. After the 2nd nite of this (all the managers were afraid to talk to Mr Behnen) when the game ended, we went straight up to Mr B. We thanked him for his confidence in us to deal the game well, and explained to him that while it was a compliment, we still had rent and bills to pay and we were only there to make a living. We explained that it cost us 40% of our weekly income to deal his game. We didnt have to say any more. He started taking black chips out of the rack and apologized profusely for us not getting toked. I believe all it took was to approach him in a respectful manner as equals (to a point) and he was very standup about it.

I cant count how many times I've dealt the big game flawlessly and walked out holding "air" in my hands. I know I'm speaking for every dealer that has ever dealt that game thats worth his salt as a dealer. Just dont stiff us. We're here trying to make a living. You toke $25 for a freaking drink. Is a redbird per player at the end too much to ask? There are 2 players in that game that do just that about 50% of the time. IF THEY REMEMBER, and are in the room when you leave.

[bigfishead]

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Hi fishhead,

I can't be certain about this, but Celine Dion's husband likes to play poker and he'll often play in the very high limit game. I suspect that may have something to do with the game being at Caesar's.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Mason,
I dont think Renee is playing with them anymore. I understand your thoughts there but IMO I think he was taken for a few too many bucks to want to play with those guys. Recently he has played only in the Bellagio $1k buy-in tournys and was always gone upon exit from the tourny. No matter whether he made the final table or was out early. I think it's been 4 months or more since I've seen him play in Bobbys Room.

Regards