Internet Poker... doomed from Day 1

[PlayaHata]

a pair of sunglasses cannot help you make an educated guess at your opponents holdings based on hands played/ aggression/ steal%, etc. although your anology is close, it does not make total sense.

PT gives the user an unfair advantage over a player not using PT. as a user you must be able to atest to the times that PT has helped your bankroll.

just because party poker says you can use PT does not make it ethical. taking note on a notepad is not allowed in casinos, but allowed on the internet. the rule 1 hand 1 person is not enforced in online poker, does it make it okay to collude with another player?

[jedi]

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Even programs like Poker Traker and Party Miner are just as unethical in my mind as a card mapper or poker bot. Why you might ask? Because not everyone involved in these games has the same access to these programs as you do.

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Not true. Everyone does have the same access to these programs. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean you don't have access to them.

[ipp147]

Playahater,

I won't answer alot of your points but regardless of your point of view on PokerTracker it is actually allowed by all the pokersites. They actually co-operate with the guys at PT to make their hand histories compatable.

So whether you consider it ethical or not it is legal and it is avaliable to everyone that wants it.

[davehwm]

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Even programs like Poker Traker and Party Miner are just as unethical in my mind as a card mapper or poker bot. Why you might ask? Because not everyone involved in these games has the same access to these programs as you do.

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Not true. Everyone does have the same access to these programs. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean you don't have access to them.

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The problem comes about when you use these programs to compute information at a speed that is not humanely possible in order to make more educated decisions than others at the table.

[PlayaHata]

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you misunderstood what i meant, and what on your own tangent. you did not use your own device to understand the meaning of the term device in my post.

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I'll leave it to the clairvoyants on the board to devine what you "meant" to say. I simply responded to what you did say.

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you are just being a nit. instead of being so close minded, why dont you read my OP with an open mind and have a discussion like a rational person. dont take everything you read to mean what you want it to mean.

[Chris.]

I think your problem is trying to compare live play with internet play. Apples and oranges.

[PlayaHata]

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I think your problem is trying to compare live play with internet play. Apples and oranges.

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but it shouldnt be that way, and that is my real point.
online poker is supposed to bring the casino to you, not an altered defination of a casino.

dont know why Yo was at the end of my post, i took it out.

[BigBluffer]

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you are just being a nit. instead of being so close minded, why dont you read my OP with an open mind and have a discussion like a rational person.

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So, a rational person resorts to name-calling when confronted with an argument he can't respond to in any other way?

Good luck in your B&M career. Watch out for colluders. The right index finger to the earlobe is the standard "raise me" signal.

Over and out.

[slim]

what is the difference if a tool helps u calculate agression etc or whether it helps u hide tells/get tells? It is an advantage that helps someone win if they know how to use it. Just bc sunglasses don't "calculate" anything doesn't mean it can't give u an edge.

And I have definitely seen people write on a notepad during play at BM. I never looked at what they are writing so I can't be sure if they are making notes on opponents but if it were not allowed, I am sure the Floor person would ask to see what they were writing.

[PlayaHata]

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you are just being a nit. instead of being so close minded, why dont you read my OP with an open mind and have a discussion like a rational person.

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So, a rational person resorts to name-calling when confronted with an argument he can't respond to in any other way?

Good luck in your B&M career. Watch out for colluders. The right index finger to the earlobe is the standard "raise me" signal.

Over and out.

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you sir never responded with a rational arguement. you took a skewed defination of a term i used and went on your own tangent. you are nit-picking over little things that are inconsequential. and if you think nit is name calling, dont come to NJ.