Limp/calling with suited connector

[NHFunkii]

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I generally fold the flop, more because of MP2 than anything else. Turn and river I agree with.

Congrats btw.

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[betgo]

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AA gewd.

i like the way you played it. you're likely up against an overpair and you're getting a nice price to hit a 5-outer that could take a bunch of chips off of him. river call is fine - he has AK 1/15 of the time...

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When villain raised to 4.5xBB at 4 limpers from the blinds, I thought he had a big pair. Notice that the two early position limpers folded, maybe with that read. I figured I would call with the suited gapper anyway.

I don't know if I should have called the flop bet, but I felt I was priced in. I thought it was possible I ahead.

When villain bet 1/6 pot on the turn, I was pretty sure he had an overpair, thought he was ahead, and was hoping to get raised. I thought AQ/AK would check or make a real attempt to take the pot. I figured I had 9 outs and would get paid off if I hit. In case I was ahead, calling was good to.

As to why I called the river, if I knew what he had, I was getting 15-1 pot odds that I was wrong.

Villain showed QQ. You just have to understand how slow playing donks think.

All you who would have donked off a big part of your stack raising to figure out villain had an overpair, that's why I made the final table and you didn't. </arrogance>

[uclabruinz]

I call BS, results-oriented bragging.

[NoahSD]

betgo, your play's a lot better than your explanation.

[betgo]

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I call BS, results-oriented bragging.

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I thought villain probably had an overpair on the turn. I figured calling the small bet was best whether I was ahead or not.

[flopking]

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I call BS, results-oriented bragging.

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I thought villain probably had an overpair on the turn. I figured calling the small bet was best whether I was ahead or not.

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betgo...

since you've thought out this line a bit... I have three questions

A) did villain do this betting sequence once before (big raise, 1/2pt, 1/5 pt 1/10th pt) that tipped you off or was it a more intuitive read?
B) how much would you value bet on the river if you hit your nine outer?
C) How much would you expect him to call if you raised on the river...

I obviously have some thoughts on B and C and I am looking to see how you would handle it...

[sunrise]

If you knew he had an overpair, why not bluff at the one card straight on the river?? You did limp, and called the whole way, its not inconceivable you have an 8 in your hand.

Even if you do get called its going to set you up for some looser calls later when you have a big hand.

[betgo]

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If you knew he had an overpair, why not bluff at the one card straight on the river?? You did limp, and called the whole way, its not inconceivable you have an 8 in your hand.

Even if you do get called its going to set you up for some looser calls later when you have a big hand.

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That might have been a good play. Didn't think of it at the time. I limp called, so I was likely to have a suited connector of pp in the range of the board. Villain raised, so he probably has JJ+, AQ+. The bluff could represent a straight, but I could also have 2 pair or a set.

There is a question whether villain would fold an overpair here. His small bets seem donkish. However, someone who small bets may be weak/tight and people has shown no hesitancy about folding at this level of the tournament. In general, the tournament was weak/tight, rather than the overly loose aggressive / calling station style of lower buyins, including the 2nd hour of the $30 rebuy.

You would need to risk a significant chunk of your stack to bluff the river, but it is probably a good play.

By contrast, I think raising the turn, as some people have suggested, is awful. On the turn, if you are behind, you are drawing to 9 outs, which are probably all good, and you will probably get paid off some if you hit. In this situation if you raised the turn, villain would probably push and force you to fold. If you are ahead, the raise might win you a pot you would probably win anyway. If villain had more than an overpair, he would call or raise and you just lose chips.

[uclabruinz]

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Without reads, I have a very hard time telling you exactly what he has. I'll guess missed overs first (AK, AQ most likely) and mid pocket pair like 88 second.

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This is the problem with betgo calling a raise on the turn "awful." These holdings, IMHO, are more likely then overpairs once the turn bet comes. The fact that betgo was right, and wanted to brag about it, doesn't mean that if you get away from his results-oriented bragging, villain's range after his turn bet doesn't call for a turn raise.

If villain's hand is more likely AK, AQ, or 88 then overpairs then not raising the turn is "awful."

[betgo]

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Without reads, I have a very hard time telling you exactly what he has. I'll guess missed overs first (AK, AQ most likely) and mid pocket pair like 88 second.

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This is the problem with betgo calling a raise on the turn "awful." These holdings, IMHO, are more likely then overpairs once the turn bet comes. The fact that betgo was right, and wanted to brag about it, doesn't mean that if you get away from his results-oriented bragging, villain's range after his turn bet doesn't call for a turn raise.

If villain's hand is more likely AK, AQ, or 88 then overpairs then not raising the turn is "awful."

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If villain has AK, AQ, 88, or a similar hand, he probably won't connect on the river and you can call or check behind on the river. Since villain has been making small bets so far, there is no reason to think he will make a big bluff on the river.

When villain raised 4.5xBB at 4 limpers from the blinds, I immediately suspected a big pair. However, I didn't mind playing the suited gapper in position 3-way against a likely AA-QQ, with AK/AQ or a middle pp also possible.

I really thought he probably had an overpair and that I was better off drawing to 9 outs than making a raise which would be called or reraised.