Limp/calling with suited connector
 

$1K Masters ME level 2. Comments on my play? What do you think villain has?
Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t2080)
UTG+2 (t1265)
MP1 (t3305)
MP2 (t2455)
MP3 (t3260)
CO (t1510)
Hero (t3600)
SB (t2410)
BB (t2520)
UTG (t2585)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t15.
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to t135</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t105, Hero calls t105.

Flop: (t495) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t190</font>, MP2 calls t190, Hero calls t190.

Turn: (t1065) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t170</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t170.

River: (t1405) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100.

Final Pot: t1605

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

Raise the flop or raise the turn to find out where you are and take a free card/showdown.

People in big buyin tournaments make a lot more laydowns than normally.

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

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Raise the flop or raise the turn to find out where you are and take a free card/showdown.

People in big buyin tournaments make a lot more laydowns than normally.

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If villian is on air (i.e. overs), don't we want to give him a chance to bluff at the pot? He is already giving himself bad odds to continue the hand so we don't need to raise if we think he will keep firing. This is WA/WB IMO.

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

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Raise the flop or raise the turn to find out where you are and take a free card/showdown.

People in big buyin tournaments make a lot more laydowns than normally.

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I had a pretty good read on what villain had.

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

I think I want to raise this turn. We are probably ahead but there are some potential draws out there. Even if he has two overs you are letting his bet give himself pretty close to decent odds to draw out.

Raising to 900ish feels right.

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

I tend to stay from marginal situations like this early on in a tournament.

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

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Raise the flop or raise the turn to find out where you are and take a free card/showdown.

People in big buyin tournaments make a lot more laydowns than normally.

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How big a buy-in we talking here? Just curious since I ran into some serious donkeys at the $100+9 buy ins yesterday.

Re: Limp/calling with suited connector
 

I like preflop, pretty standard for me. With 3 limpers I might raise the pot to 5-6x the BB, but as played works too.

It seems as if you put the SB on AK. Which makes sense of course. But if the pot got bigger, would you really be content going to the felt with 2nd pair? For example, if he got some balls and actually bet 700 on the turn, do you call?

If you feel (with reads) that you can keep the pot small against this villian then I like the check/call approach fine. But without reads, and the fact taht MP1 is coming along with a draw (J-Q maybe?) or some overcards makes me want to raise the pot on the flop or fold. So many turn cards would scare me and would make playing the hand much more difficult.

Again, with reads it's all different, but I would generally raise the flop.

Brad

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Raise the flop or raise the turn to find out where you are and take a free card/showdown.

People in big buyin tournaments make a lot more laydowns than normally.

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If villian is on air (i.e. overs), don't we want to give him a chance to bluff at the pot? He is already giving himself bad odds to continue the hand so we don't need to raise if we think he will keep firing. This is WA/WB IMO.

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In tournament settings, odds don't matter nearly as much because when you lose a huge chunk of chips, your ability to regain them lessens. If you have a million chips in front of you, you can play speculative hands. If you have 100 chips in front of you, it's allin or fold.

Raise the flop to find out where you are and/or get out hands that you're vulnerable to. If he raises you, you're out. If he folds, you just picked up a nice pot.

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I like preflop, pretty standard for me. With 3 limpers I might raise the pot to 5-6x the BB, but as played works too.

It seems as if you put the SB on AK. Which makes sense of course. But if the pot got bigger, would you really be content going to the felt with 2nd pair? For example, if he got some balls and actually bet 700 on the turn, do you call?

If you feel (with reads) that you can keep the pot small against this villian then I like the check/call approach fine. But without reads, and the fact taht MP1 is coming along with a draw (J-Q maybe?) or some overcards makes me want to raise the pot on the flop or fold. So many turn cards would scare me and would make playing the hand much more difficult.

Again, with reads it's all different, but I would generally raise the flop.

Brad

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After the turn bet, I was pretty sure villain had what I thought he had after the preflop raise, and it wasn't AK.