TPTK on multi-draw board

[andyEB]

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Raise pf the first time.

Other than that, this is standard. The raise protects your hand versus a lot of hands. I wouldn't wait till the turn to raise anyway, but I don't see how this can be done without position.

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2nd edit: He has relative position needed. I'm pretty conflicted here, I want to raise out any K, Q or gutshot, but our reverse implied odds suck. I think I bite my lip really hard and call hoping to c/r the turn on a safe card.

[Sam2459953]

This almost always a wait for a safe turn. A bet will set it 2:11 odds, almost enough for an inside straight, but iwth implied odds, is acually about even money, so I wait for a safe turn and bet out.

[johnnytt]

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I's funny everyone tells me to raise pf. SSHE states to only limp with AJo in EP no matter how loose the game is and that table was somehow on the upper end of the "tight" section (though definitely not "loose").

I see that TP plays easier if I was the aggressor but in this spot having the pf aggressor to my right actually was a good thing -- I could go for a c/r on the flop.

An argument for raising probabely is that AJ is mainly dominated by hands that would likely 3-bet (AQ, AK). So if someone 3-bets I know I'm likely behind.

Also raising pf would probably have shut out the people that hit their gutshot on the river [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] . But this I could not know of course.

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Maybe some one has said this already but pg. 73 in SSHE says raise AJ if pot has not already been raised . . . the exception is if your in late position and alot of people have limped then it says just call.

[river me please]

I would much rather raise this in EP on a tight table then I would on a loose table. The tables in SSHE are a guide. Yes AJ is a marginal hand but you are raising first in to run of some of those really marginal hands in later position that would like to see a flop for cheap. There is something to be said for facing the field with 2 bets. It makes your post flop decisions a little easier.

[river me please]

No you call and re evaluate on the flop. You can significantly reduce the hands you are going to get 3 bet with. Where as if you limp in then are raised it puts you in a fairly difficult position due to the fact hand value to raise with are far wider then to 3 bet pre flop.

[Ampelmann]

There are two overcards (K and Q) that could hurt our pair. The c/r was to fold K's and Q's that didn't hit anything else on the flop. Then again, a Q will likely stay even for 2 cold because of the gutshot. But someone with only a gutshot can not call profitably.

It was bad luck that both checkers (being on gutshots) also hit something else: one had middle pair and the other one had a flush draw (apart from his Q over). But that we cannot know.

I still think that the c/r was the correct play.

[ninenine_zoe]

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This almost always a wait for a safe turn. A bet will set it 2:11 odds, almost enough for an inside straight, but iwth implied odds, is acually about even money, so I wait for a safe turn and bet out.

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agree.

[sean c]

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This almost always a wait for a safe turn. A bet will set it 2:11 odds, almost enough for an inside straight, but iwth implied odds, is acually about even money, so I wait for a safe turn and bet out.

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agree.

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You do not have position to wait for a safe turn here. Implied odds are not good for gut shots. If CO has half a brain here he is only betting the turn if we are behind. The flop is your only possible chance to protect your hand against weak draws and a turn brick checking through would be terrible.

[Aaron W.]

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Raise pf the first time.

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Hm, I'm not so sure about raising AJo in EP. SSHE says not to.

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I limp AJo when I expect to be coldcalled in 2 or more spots. Otherwise I'll raise. Folding is not an option.