$200r, flop hits me hard

[0evg0]

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After I bet 1300 my stack is about 7k. How the f do I get to put a last bet in with any sort of FE

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WTF is with people thinking fold equity is important. You are a favorite over JJ, a flip with T9, QJ, and not that big of a dog against bigger flush draws.

Your hand crushes any range.

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UH...

You want them to fold. We have J high. They make a mistake when they fold, not when they get all in with us.

edit: i'm not sure i'm saying that i want to c/r; just saying that your logic is weird/sucks.

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i think timex's point is that no one is ever raise/folding here, so no matter how nice it'd be for that to happen it is pretty irelevant because it's like never happening

[Exitonly]

yea i know, which is why someone suggested the idea of the c/r instead of bet-3bet, which i think could be right.

[registrar]

Shove it, because that folds the hands we want to fold.

[Exitonly]

but i think that's overkill, we can get more value out of the hand than what's in the pot now

[registrar]

What calls a shove in the $200r?
What folds to a shove but is priced in with a CR or 3B?

We don't mind taking this down now, but we also don't mind getting calls from TP or overpairs or two-pair but we don't want QJ or A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] coming along.

[bigballz]

i think i sort of like registrar's line. Your hand could even look like JJ not wanting any flat callers with that flop and the hands you don't want shoving on you fold to the shove. kind of a donk play but hmmmmmm

[registrar]

I've only played the $100r but, given the stacks, I don't see anyone ever folding to a three-bet or CR here and we don't want this checked through. And our hand plays a lot better against a shove calling range than it does agaisnt a reraising or bet/calling range on this board, multiway.

[bigballz]

i never even considered open shoving but im starting to like. Anyone else think it's good here?

[timex]

With QJhh I don't mind a shove for value here, but your hand isn't good enough to open shove IMO. Without any other consideration, I'm guessing you may be more profitable to bet 1350 and shove the turn blind than to shove here.

[hamnegger]

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