Open Raise 10BB? - Page 3

Rottersod · #21 04-12-2007, 02:28 PM

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And, like I said, the main problem isn´t with the callers of your big bet, it´s the raiser who bumps it up to 1/4 of your stack, but still giving you pot odds to call. It´s wrong to fold, but now that 1/4 your stack is in, it´ll be a lot harder to get away from. Basically, you´re variance just goes way up now. Isn´t it much better to minimize variance, and maximize the times when you are a huge favorite? Basically, playing smart more, taking less risk?

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Sure, it's better to do that but you aren't in control. You do have opponents that you have to take into account and make your decisions based on those factors. Are you always going to fold decent hands because you aren't getting exactly the right odds? When you have a capped buy game you have to play with the stack you have and adjust your style of play to suit that because many of the players you will be up against aren't playing optimal style poker to begin with.

Rottersod · #22 04-12-2007, 02:30 PM

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You're taking less risk of losing more money, but taking more risk of losing the hand. Raise a 1/2 game to $6 and get 1 caller, and you can expect the rest of the table to call after that. They're only looking at the growing pot, not any sign of strength from your raise. Now you have 7 to the flop and your chances of winning just took a nosedive, but yeah, you're only risking $6...

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Raising to get people to fold is good. Raising more and getting the same # of callers -- increases variance (and the pot size, of course).

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You won't get more if you raise more. Raise 6X BB in most places and you'll thin the table quite a bit. If that isn't happening then adjust or switch tables. Maybe you just stumbled onto a table with 7 LAGs? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

SellingtheDrama · #23 04-12-2007, 02:31 PM

Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

Rottersod · #24 04-12-2007, 02:37 PM

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A recent example:

I had just bought in for $200 in a $1/$2 NL game. Got dealt AA. UTG raises to $20 ($150 behind). I'm in MP, I think about raising -- but I need to raise to $60, which is about 1/3 of my stack -- pot committing me no matter what the flop is. What do I do? I push. Button calls with QQ ($60). UTG folds. I win $80. I'm happy, but I'd like to actually play the game rather than pre-flop push.

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You are playing the game. In a capped buy game these are the kinds of decisions you have to make. You got your money in with the best hand and got called by an under pair which is the best you could hope for plus you got UTG's raise too. What's wrong with that? Now your chip stack has grown so you can adjust more but you're still dependent on the other player's limited stack sizes.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that betting 1/3 of your stack is being pot committed no matter what the flop is? There are coordinated flops that you can fold AA to, especially if there are more than 2 players in the hand.

Rottersod · #25 04-12-2007, 02:39 PM

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

Rottersod · #26 04-12-2007, 02:42 PM

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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I'm assuming that by "black chip" you mean a $100. Here in LA that's a white/pink chip.

SellingtheDrama · #27 04-12-2007, 03:36 PM

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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I'm assuming that by "black chip" you mean a $100. Here in LA that's a white/pink chip.

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err..yes. Sorry wasn't trying to be misleading.

Rottersod · #28 04-12-2007, 03:37 PM

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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I'm assuming that by "black chip" you mean a $100. Here in LA that's a white/pink chip.

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err..yes. Sorry wasn't trying to be misleading.

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NP. It's just that out west here we aren't using the same colors so a lot of posts require color translating. LOL.

KipBond · #29 04-12-2007, 03:41 PM

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Far ahead. Unless all 3 are the same suit, and someone flopped the nut flush. Then you're a 2:1 underdog.

KipBond · #30 04-12-2007, 03:46 PM

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Also, I'm not sure why you think that betting 1/3 of your stack is being pot committed no matter what the flop is? There are coordinated flops that you can fold AA to, especially if there are more than 2 players in the hand.

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Well, with 1 caller, having bet 1/3 of my chips, my stack is the same as the pot. If they go all-in, I'm getting 2:1 odds. Unless it's a really scary board, or I have a good read on the person, it will be hard to get away from.