KTo from the Btn

[fretelöo]

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no one has said to raise preflop, so i will say it:

raise preflop!

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Meh. I'd usually limp. You already own the button and there is an early position limper, so your edge isn't as large.

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Is there any reasonable edge at all? I was under the impression that KTo is more or less premium trash, not to be played unless from the Btn or CO and never in a raised pot.

[Aaron W.]

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no one has said to raise preflop, so i will say it:

raise preflop!

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Meh. I'd usually limp. You already own the button and there is an early position limper, so your edge isn't as large.

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Is there any reasonable edge at all? I was under the impression that KTo is more or less premium trash, not to be played unless from the Btn or CO and never in a raised pot.

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If the players in the pot are pretty bad (will call down any pair bad), then you have a playing edge over them with position and two broadway cards (it's even larger if a preflop raise means they will check it to you, and your edge grows as the blinds get tighter).

Calling it premium trash is an overstatement. It's a weak broadway combination and it's definitely playable in position in a limped pot.

I would raise to isolate a single bad late position limper if the blinds are willing to cooperate.

I would also openraise from about 2 off the button (full ring), depending on the tightness and postflop skill of the blinds. In 6-max, I'd rather wait until the CO to raise because the blinds are looser and more aggressive.

[ottsville]

overlimp pf, raise flop

[bung]

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no one has said to raise preflop, so i will say it:

raise preflop!

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Meh. I'd usually limp. You already own the button and there is an early position limper, so your edge isn't as large.

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Don't you want to discourage overlimpers?

Oh, and Hero raises!!!

[bung]

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but certainly more than your share of 25%

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Isn't it OP's share of 20%?

[EGO]

Call. Eight spades give you a decent flush, and one spade gives you the nut flush. You are closing the action, and getting 9-1. Call.

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Getting 3-bet here with K high sucks. There is also the (remote) possibility of someone having a straight flush draw with a small suited connector. There's no way I fold, but I'm not so hot about a raise.

[Aaron W.]

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no one has said to raise preflop, so i will say it:

raise preflop!

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Meh. I'd usually limp. You already own the button and there is an early position limper, so your edge isn't as large.

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Don't you want to discourage overlimpers?

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Not really. With two limpers, my chances of taking this pot down without showdown have decreased tremendously, so limping from the button allows SB and BB to come in with hands that might find enough reason to call down my value bets.

[Bruce D]

I raise this 100% of the time. If it gets 3 bet and all tag along, I would cap it. Someone with a set or 2 pair could be trying to make it expensive (correctly) to draw to the flush. You also argue that well, if they have 2 pair or a set, then our equity is diminished, but the dead money the other two players are contributing make up for that.

[fretelöo]

Ok everyone, the majority was for raise on the flop, and I agree. So I raised, everyone just called. Turn was a brick and unfortunately SB chose to bet again. Called, river didn't help and folded.

I'll be sure to look out for pfr opportunities from now on!