KTo from the Btn
 

It's the usual loose-passive crowd.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 folds, Hero ???

calls or raises?

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

Mr. Variety says "Just don't fold."

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

Call, a raise accomplishes very little are you are very likely to have a good flush draw. I would raise an Ace here but you do not want to give away money to a made flush or to the ace of spades if it is in one of the hands.

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

Raise.
You got 2nd nut flush draw, 1 overcard and a backdoor straight draw.
It's very likely that all 3 opponents call the raise and that's why you should consider exploiting your pot equity edge by raising.

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

But don't I want to get a free card?

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

damn. i like raising but this will cause villains to fold correctly unless they have the AX[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in which case they'll raise correctly.
but then again, they make loads of mistakes so maybe you're not afraid of some correct play from them.

i say raise. if you get 3bet, call down or fold the turn UI.

k-high flush doesn't lose to A-high flush very often, so don't get too scared.

but i'm not entirely sure what to do here. giving poker advice is hard.

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

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damn. i like raising but this will cause villains to fold correctly unless they have the X[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in which case they'll raise correctly.
but then again, they make loads of mistakes so maybe you're not afraid of some correct play from them.

i say raise. if you get 3bet, call down or fold the turn UI.

k-high flush doesn't lose to A-high flush very often, so don't get too scared.

but i'm not entirely sure what to do here. giving poker advice is hard.

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FYP.
If you land your flush, the board will be 4-flush, it'll be even more obvious than it already is that some one might have a flush, and you might not make many bets. The question is if you want to build your pot up now or wait until you have it. That's a bit more complicated. I'll leave the answer to some one else.

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

yeah, marty, no one's folding nothing here. Have you never seen people call down against major aggression on this board just to sheepishly turn over their 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] vs. top two sets?

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yeah, marty, no one's folding nothing here. Have you never seen people call down against major aggression on this board just to sheepishly turn over their 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] vs. top two sets?

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tbh, i've not been in the position OP is about.

i've seen lots of hadns where people fold round when the board is mono-suit.

but i have also seen people go for nice chases with weak flushes as you say. i see what you mean. any suited card isn't going to fold here. probably by the same logic that you're not folding in fear of the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Re: KTo from the Btn
 

I raise this every time.

- there are 3 opponents who have already put in one bet each. You make your flush 1/3 of the time so even though you don't have the A you probably still like for this flop to get capped as long as nobody folds.

- You may get offered a free card on the turn if you raise. Sometimes you will take it (e.g. turn is a non-spade A) and sometimes you will bet (turn is a king).

- The raise disguises your draw a little bit. Opponents who do think but don't know about things such as pot equity will rather put you on something like QJ then a draw.