Hand against DeathDonkey

[jason_t]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
he either has us destroyed, or he just made a hideous river bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't want to give any results yet as its a good thread IMO, but these can't both be true Bob. If it's so obvious Entity is destroyed here, then it's the perfect time for a bluff. Just reading this thread a bluff can't possibly be hideous since nobody thinks I could bluff there.

-DeathDonkey

[/ QUOTE ]

Or maybe you just thought "I can't win by checking."

KJo no good.

[aK13]

[ QUOTE ]

KJo no good.

[/ QUOTE ]

KJ trashes on the turn, no?

[aK13]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
he either has us destroyed, or he just made a hideous river bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't want to give any results yet as its a good thread IMO, but these can't both be true Bob. If it's so obvious Entity is destroyed here, then it's the perfect time for a bluff. Just reading this thread a bluff can't possibly be hideous since nobody thinks I could bluff there.

-DeathDonkey

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't necessarily agree that a bluff is not an awful idea for you.

Even though Ent is the SB here, I believe with the BB read that his defending range is pretty huge here, especially since Ent is (and knows that he is) a good postflop player. This board is very likely to hit Ent's range of hands (mid suited connectors, maybe stuff like T9o or similar), and I'd assume that he'd 3bet his premium hands, so from DD's perspective those should be discounted somewhat (I doubt Ent would miss value preflop with AK/AQ/JJ-AA etc since you said DD's opening range is pretty large, but two good players who know each other is always weird/tricky). I'd say Ent's play from your perspective is consistent a small pair -- possibly bottom pair (I dunno if hes liberal enough to defend with 65s) but probably 66/77/87 or a semibluff that missed the draw. Thus, your river bet would put you in a situation where he'll call if hes ahead and fold if hes behind.

Ent might also play T8 or something similar -- assuming that he doesn't think you'd call his river bet with A high and therefore you had him owned the whole time with TT-AA or whatever.

Basically its a situation where Ent thinks "If I bet and he calls, I lose" and DD thinks "If I bet and he calls, I lose" so neither of you bet unless you are sure you are ahead.

EDIT: Its 4:30am, I'm probably going to wake up and realize nothing I said makes any sense, but hopefully somebody gets the gist of what I'm saying (or tells me I'm retarded).

[hellbender]

He can have 66 here, which is probably enough reason to call all by itself.

[DeeJ]

Preflop: Raise!!!
Flop: I might just call down from here if he's aggressive. It's not quite WA/WB because you have the gutshot and may pick up more outs, but are you really wanting to put more money in the pot with 2 overs on the board with 77? He surely won't fold overcards here for one bet.
Turn: worth a bet for the scare card and the draw, as he calls here I think you are more likely behind than not. JT? AT? KT? I think a load of combinations beat you.
River: call him, he's agressive [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but i reckon you lost

[DMBFan23]

[ QUOTE ]
He can have 66 here, which is probably enough reason to call all by itself.

[/ QUOTE ]

hmm, this could be a good point...if only there were a way to find out how often he might have various hands, maybe as a percentage?

[MaxPower]

The turn is the interesting street for me. In my experience in live games the Donkey seems pretty active on the turn. With worse hands than yours he will either raise or fold.

I think he probably has you crushed, but if you are not going to fold I think you should check, since he will bet a few hands that he will not call with and will check behind a lot of the time.

I think the standard 3-bet pre-flop is a good idea..

[DMBFan23]

bump; page 3

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

KJo no good.

[/ QUOTE ]

KJ trashes on the turn, no?

[/ QUOTE ]

Trashes?

Rob

[DeathDonkey]

Yeah I had KJo. Open ended on the turn.

-DeathDonkey