Overcall... - Page 3

brettbrettr · #21 01-09-2007, 12:34 AM

Well, its not so easy to "get away from it" when you're priced in, and your position is terrible. I'm fairly liberal from the BB, certainly moreso than TT and PJ, but I still think that even though I don't muck this all the time I'd probably be better off if I did.

private joker · #22 01-09-2007, 12:38 AM

Yeah, to put it another way -- say I posted from the CO preflop, and there were a couple limpers to me and I checked my option with QJo. The button folds and the SB raises, the BB and two other limpers all call, and it's on me. Super-easy call there. I have the button, great relative position to the raiser, and I'm getting the same odds as in this hand.

benwood · #23 01-09-2007, 12:45 AM

Yea.I see what I was missing.If I'm trying to bring a straight draw in,my position is awful relative to the pre-flop raiser.(Moneyline spelled this out,but it still went right over my head.)If I had been in the small blind,completed,& then he raised out of the BB,my position would be gigantically better,ever though I am still up front. Thanks a lot.

The DaveR · #24 01-09-2007, 11:06 AM

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Fold preflop...

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If there is ever a game where folding 1-pair in a big pot is super easy this is it.

Barry · #25 01-09-2007, 04:07 PM

Ok guys, I know that the PF call is pretty marginal and would attract some criticism. However, I had position on the SB and the other folks in the hand were pretty passive and predictable, so I wasn't too worried about being caught in the middle of anything. I agree with DD that BF the river was the way to go. I did fire in my mind, but my hand just wouldn't move to the chips.

Anyway the lady says "I don't have a 9, just a T" and she turns over a T and something like a 5. Button turns over JT for 2nd and 3rd pair and MHIG. The lady is pretty erratic and had some moments of some wierdly timed aggression so she didn't necessarily need to have a 9 to bet the river. I was really only worried about the button having a 9. The Andy Fox Theorem in action.

Joe Tall · #26 01-10-2007, 12:21 AM

You've put yourself in a tough spot by not betting and planning to fold to a raise.

Bill King · #27 01-10-2007, 01:31 PM

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You've put yourself in a tough spot by not betting and planning to fold to a raise.

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joe is this worse than betting, and stressing over a raise in a big pot?

Joe Tall · #28 01-10-2007, 06:12 PM

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You've put yourself in a tough spot by not betting and planning to fold to a raise.

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joe is this worse than betting, and stressing over a raise in a big pot?

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The Fox 20 game is played face up. There is not stress when someone raises your river bet vs such opponents.