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Haven't played since my trip to Vegas in mid-December. I heard that Norman was back playing at FW's, so I thought that I would head down and enjoy the softness of the 20/40 game there. I got off to a horrible start dropping 20 BB in the 1st 45 mins, reloaded and have made nearly a full comeback. One hand I raised w/ KK 4 saw the flop which included 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s and 2 K's. 1st CC was a guy that led the table in PF raises. I bet the flop and got 2 callers, including aggro guy. Small heart on the turn, I check, aggro guy bets, fold, I raise, he 3-bets, I 4-bet, he calls. River double pairs the board, bet, call. Thank you very much.

Aggro guy has long since busted, but the table is still very good. One lady hasn't missed a flop in about 3-4 hours, limping in w/ AA and QQ and calling raises w/ T5s and playing most hands to the river. She has also bet/folded a couple of flops. There is only 1 pretty good guy in the game. The rest range from predictable to horrible.

Some limper in MP, lady limps from HJ, loose/passive hyper predictable guy limps OTB, decent but a bit too loose and a bit too passive guy raises from the SB, I call from the BB w/ QJo. (10SB's)

Flop is T87r

SB bets, I call, MP folds, lady calls, button raises (he has a T or a bare 9), SB calls only calls, I call as does the lady. (9BB)

Turn is a Q putting 2 of some suit out there.

SB checks, I donk, everybody calls. (13BB)

River is a J

SB checks, I check, lady now fires, button calls, SB mucks, and I call getting 15:1.

I think a bet/fold is better vs. the players described. Having checked I would fold here because lady sounds exactly like the type to not be bluffing here ever.

-DeathDonkey

I was at your table (hope I was the one pretty good guy!) and remember this hand well. I thought about it a lot after the hand and I think it was a good call - you probably have button beat (I can't recall who button or the SB was, and don't remember the SB being in the hand this long) and that lady is unpredictable.

I really have no idea how often this is a bluff from her, she is very erratic. most of the time this is a 9 but she will randomly bet hands "for value" when it's is nothing but a bluff (usually when she's out of position though). you're a huge dog here but the pot is big enough that I think you need to call. It may be close enough that Q8/Q7 are folds but this is a call.

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LOL, what seat were you in? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

The button was the guy with a bad toupe (whose name is Barry too) that was short stacked. He will always raise TP or a draw on the flop, he'll always check or call the flop w/ a monster (even when in position).

For DD, she was pretty erratic, that's why I added the BF on the flop lines to my description of her.

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LOL, what seat were you in? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

The button was the guy with a bad toupe (whose name is Barry too) that was short stacked. He will always raise TP or a draw on the flop, he'll always check or call the flop w/ a monster (even when in position).

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I was in the one seat when this hand went down.

I know who you're talking about now. He doesn't call the river with one pair there does he? I would think he has two pair or flopped a set. he may just be smooth calling a nine also?

I think DD makes a good point on bet-fold. you are rarely good when you have to call a bet here but there's a decent chance you get called in two spots even and win.

Preflop: I think this is about as big a mistake as you can make preflop. You know a passive guy raising from the sb has a real hand, so that puts QJ in big trouble. If you hit something you're probably still behind, but it will be hard to get away from in such a big pot. Not only that, but you are in awful position. You're in EP and the raiser is to your right. This means that you're facing a very real chance of getting caught between two raisers, even at a passive table.

Flop: I guess I'm calling both times. Raising is awfully tempting as you'd like to drive out a lot of the players behind you, but I feel that flop is too likely to have hit a limper for raising to be the correct play. It's close, though.

Turn: Well done.

River: I hate doing it, but I guess I'd call as well.

Just my opinion...

Yeah, you're the one I was referring to. We've had a decent amount of history since the fall tournament time. I made a PF mistake when I had the TT right after I was stacking a pot and didn't 3-bet PF, which allowed you to see a flop out of the BB w/ your 86 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I flop a set and you flopped the str8 w/ a SF draw.

The button does not have a set, he would always, always wait until the turn to raise there. The board texture, relative position, # of opponents, pot size don't matter to him. TP or a draw, raise the flop. Monster, check the flop, raise or checkraise the turn.

Fold preflop, check/fold the river.

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I'm surprised by everyone saying this. what about other offsuit little broadways (JTo/KJo/KQo)?