Weird hand tonight (Wynn 10/25)

[jambony]

Flat Call

Folding is not a bad option either but I like the idea of playing this hand from position. If a J or a T rolls off you have the option of trying to move him off his hand, if a Q rolls off and he bets into you again you can fold pretty safely. He's a new player, you have top two pair and there is only two combos of AA and KK left in the deck, you could be drawing slim to dead here but there's also a chance you are ahead. You're representing a wider range of hands than he is, and you'll gain a lot more information about his hand from the turn. You can call and fold the turn if you get the right kind of read on him. Just play some poker in this situation, not everything is a push/fold question.

For those who said raise: I hope that was a joke.

[lapoker17]

don't love the pf reraise in this spot.

[Yeti]

I'd call the flop and see what happens but I'm not thrilled at this point.

[ahnuld]

Id call and try to fill up. When I dont, Id fold to more action on any J or T turn obviosuly, but I also might fold to another bet on a blank given my read on him.

[rbenuck4]

To the people who say that its a fold on the flop,

Someone please explain to me what sort of flop is a good flop for AK in this situation. I mean, if you need something bigger than top two on the flop (even though that ugly Q is out there), then you shouldn't even be thinking about calling the preflop raise. By calling the preflop raise, you're saying that if I make top pair I am probably good. Now that you've made top two, what else can you possibly want?

You also are not that deep stacked, which should make this decision to get all your money in even easier.

[El Diablo]

LD,

I call preflop. After your pre-flop action, I call the flop and pay more attention to how he bets the turn. The people saying raise/call on the flop, yuck. That's a tourney donkey way to play this hand.

[edge]

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Someone please explain to me what sort of flop is a good flop for AK in this situation. I mean, if you need something bigger than top two on the flop (even though that ugly Q is out there), then you shouldn't even be thinking about calling the preflop raise. By calling the preflop raise, you're saying that if I make top pair I am probably good. Now that you've made top two, what else can you possibly want?

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With AK, two pair really isn't much better than one, at least with this kind of preflop action. If you're against a pocket pair, hitting two pair makes no difference. If you're against another Ace, two pair is no better than one unless you both hit your kickers. A22 is a much better flop than AKQ in this situation.

[Sunny Mehta]

hey man,

I think preflop is debatable - it could go either way......a lot depends on what his preflop raises usually mean, what the amount meant, and what a re-re-raise means from him - only you would know that......against certain fishy players I'd reraise happily with your hand, and against others I might call just because of their other tendencies/stack sizes......with a lack of any other information, my default would be to call here purely because he only has $3k behind - I think I'd like your reraise (particularly the amount you chose) better if he had less or more.......

as for the flop, I don't like your fold.....it's already a $1300 pot after his bet, and it's $400 to you - call.....one of the reasons you were okay with making a big preflop pot was because you have position, this is a great time to have position - use it....he has to act before you on the turn and you'll find out all sorts of things at that point by watching his reaction to the turn card/what the card is/whether he cared about it/what he does/blah blah blah.....I think flat-calling is the way to go here.....

btw, have they been running the ten and a quarter more regularly over there recently? (I'm not in Vegas anymore)......how's the game?.....how does it compare to the Bellag 10/20?.....

[rbenuck4]

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Someone please explain to me what sort of flop is a good flop for AK in this situation. I mean, if you need something bigger than top two on the flop (even though that ugly Q is out there), then you shouldn't even be thinking about calling the preflop raise. By calling the preflop raise, you're saying that if I make top pair I am probably good. Now that you've made top two, what else can you possibly want?

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With AK, two pair really isn't much better than one, at least with this kind of preflop action. If you're against a pocket pair, hitting two pair makes no difference. If you're against another Ace, two pair is no better than one unless you both hit your kickers. A22 is a much better flop than AKQ in this situation.

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i agree that A22 is a better flop in this situation, but I still think this flop ain't too bad either. If you happen to be up against the most likely cooler (which is QQ), you still have 4 outs. If you are up against the KK, you have 2 outs, and if you are up against the AA, you are just as screwed as with the A22 flop. I'm just saying, even when you are wron and you are behind, its not the end of the world. I think you are ahead enough in this situation to say that folding is a bad option. Its kind of like folding KK preflop. Yeah, there are situations where you are pretty sure that the guy has aces, but how often have we actually folded those kings preflop profitably, especially with a not so large stack.

[KingNeo]

"If you happen to be up against the most likely cooler (which is QQ), you still have 4 outs. If you are up against the KK, you have 2 outs"

Can we please not talk about outs like this. Thanks.