DN loses respect for Raymer

[Butso]

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With this lawsuit, these 7 plaintiffs may end up helping to destroy the American online poker world that has made them all rich and famous.

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"Matt, Matt, Matt. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do."

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lmao

[prohornblower]

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Lets's say you wake up one day and you are Greg Raymer. You have a million fans and where ever you go women throw their underwear at you.

while you are at the store, you see a WPT brand anal lube with your face on it, WPT brand sex toy (with your face on it), a WPT brand flag burning kit (with your face on it), and a WPT brand "How to cheat at poker" book with your face on the cover.

Is that fair?


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I loled, but come on man..the WPT flag burning kit is still likely months if not years away.

[mattnxtc]

I dont think this was directed at raymer but at all 7 and i do think there is some justification to it. DN had said before that he felt there was no way online poker wouldnt get dragged into this mess and sure enough it gets mentioned several times. With all the trouble brewing in Congress to have online poker come up in this regard probably wont be helping the cause.

[bruceypants]

DN and Barry Greenstein aren't the only poker players against Raymer on this issue:

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It's *my* personal opinion, as a lawyer who studied antitrust law in law school, that Raymer's being a pedantic ass (and that the lawsuit has a serious uphill battle). Also, I thought Greg Raymer was smart enough to know that not every one is going to be pleased by this action, no matter that "we are doing this to help them". Did he ever consider that maybe some people don't want or *need* his "help"?

That he's doing this to "help all of us" is a load of tripe, of course. The average player stands to gain nothing from this lawsuit. The antitrust arguments are a stretch and anyway won't really matter much to a guy who satellites into a WPT event off of Party Poker, and the portion of the poker community that will benefit from a change in the WPT release is less than 1 percent. Who's got whose hand in whose ass, Greg? And really, don't expect any pity party that you're using your own money to fund this lawsuit.


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http://ftrain.blogspot.com/2006/08/l...gs-of-war.html

I find it funny that average poker players like MicroBob are now boycotting the WPT over this lawsuit. This lawsuit isn't going to help you average guys any. You are not famous now and you are never going to be famous if the WPT isn't allowed to put your image on TV. Get a grip on reality and realize that you are being manipulated by Raymer so that he can make more money.

[ps27]

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I believe the lawsuit is a good thing and the players are right for doing it. The only thing they are trying to do is protect player's rights.

If you ever play in a WPT event the waiver you have to sign says that the WPT has a right to use your image however they want forever. This means that that they can put your face on any WPT product they currently have, or any product they make in the future.

Lets's say you wake up one day and you are Greg Raymer. You have a million fans and where ever you go women throw their underwear at you. You hire people (at great expense)to come out with a poker video game where you can play heads up against a video game version of yourself.

Two weeks before your video game comes out, you go to the store and on the shelf is a WPT video game that has your picture on the front and says you can play heads up against Greg Raymer. Is that fair to you? Just because you put up your own money to enter a tourney that the WPT happened to be filming?

Also while you are at the store, you see a WPT brand anal lube with your face on it, WPT brand sex toy (with your face on it), a WPT brand flag burning kit (with your face on it), and a WPT brand "How to cheat at poker" book with your face on the cover.

Is that fair?

Right now, the WPT could legally do all of those things because of that release. The players did ask the WPT to change the release, but the WPT told them to buzz off.

These 7 players are using their own money to try and get this changed. They are doing this to protect the rights of all current and future poker players, Daniel Negreanu included. Daniel does not seem to grasp this point.

The largest point that no one seems to be making is that if the WPT would just agree to rewrite the waiver and spell out exactly what the WPT could use the they player's image for (commericals and full season DVDs) then this whole issue would go away.

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Then dont sign and dont play the WPT events. No one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to.

[Tornado69]

On a side note, is Lederer and Ferguson both co-owners of Full Tilt ? Who actually owns it ?

[Lawman007]

The WPT has done just fine without Raymer and company, and I'm sure they'll do just fine without MicroBob. LOL

[bruceypants]

Lederer and Ferguson are co-owners of Full Tilt. I believe there are other investors also. Full Tilt is trying to start their own televised poker series and WPT is alleging that this lawsuit is really more of a competitive tactic by Full Tilt to hinder WPT's business.

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WPT brand sex toy (with your face on it)

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Is your face on the actual sex toy or just on the box?

[bruceypants]

You can read more about Full Tilt's televised poker events here:

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/6...er-tonight.htm

I don't know, I think it will be tough for the players to prove that WPT has a monopoly on big buy-in televised tournaments when Jesus and Howard are sponsoring their own big buy-in televised tourneys through Full Tilt.