I thought this was fairly straightforward

[VanVeen]

gus sums it up well. your general reasoning is indeed correct and your friend's is overly simplistic and misleading. that said, it is highly unlikely you had enough information about your opponent to rationally assign him hand ranges and action frequencies that make your line correct.

i don't think it very likely that many players apt to 4bet bluff or for thin value will assign you a narrow enough hand range after your preflop call, especially given your unorthodox style, to deter them from following through on the flop with a shove. i would need *significant* history to even consider this line an option. then again, i am not in the possession of your preternatural gift of intuition, so maybe my 'informational requirements' are too cautious for you!

[Roman]

sameolus, do you push if he checks to you?

Any reads on the opponent? it is hard to say what id do without one.

[Requin]

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if you didnt used to call these, you better start now that you posted this fold.

[/ QUOTE ]Seriously. Obviously villain might think to himself: [censored] he called this w/o any set odds, so clearly is willing to felt 100% of the time, so I should only push if I really have the aces here. Maybe if you're really in your opponents head thats reasonable. But now that you posted this, that assumption that opponent has, about your willingness to felt 100% of the time, drops....

[fukkeneh]

i personally fold pre flop you know pocket kings are not the nuts right?

Edit, Math Wizes, odds of Aces vs. Kings in 6 max ?? 1 in 32 ?

Odds of you guessing correctly ? Plus this is 5-10.. any time you want to lay off part of this, pm me ill take it.

[NaobisDad]

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But now that you posted this, that assumption that opponent has, about your willingness to felt 100% of the time, drops....

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That assumpotion dropped the minit he folded the flop I think.

[mistermuni]

IF your opponent makes this move preflop with QQ or JJ, and is a thinking player, does he expect you to call on the flop with JJ or TT? If Villain is tag, he has AA here enough to make a fold preflop the best play, a flop fold/call about equal and tied for 2nd.

[KRANTZ]

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man has the forum quality gone down in the past few mnths...

well played samo, but this isnt the kind of thing i would post in a public forum...

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yes, post it on your refrigerator instead so you can remind yourself how bad this is

[samoleus]

lol I understand what you are saying flawless, but I won't play this the same way against other players and other situations. but thanks for the tip ...

[Josh.]

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i personally fold pre flop you know pocket kings are not the nuts right?

Edit, Math Wizes, odds of Aces vs. Kings in 6 max ?? 1 in 32 ?

Odds of you guessing correctly ? Plus this is 5-10.. any time you want to lay off part of this, pm me ill take it.

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the actual math doesn't really matter. the only thing that matters is the frequency with which he is doing 4-betting and betting the flop. if his range is AA-QQ (not saying it is), then it's 7-6 against him having AA. that's all that matters. that the probability of someone getting dealt AA is x% is 100.0000% irrelavent

[Josh.]

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lol I understand what you are saying flawless, but I won't play this the same way against other players and other situations. but thanks for the tip ...

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not sure, but i think he was classifying this as something too good to post