Debate: Teachers Wages - Page 3

lehighguy · #21 07-01-2006, 04:02 PM

I suppose being a teacher could be stressful if you could get fired or your performance affected your pay. It would be immensely stressful if little kids had control over your fate.

However, they don't. Most public school teachers I knew didn't do any work and just ate donuts all day.

Copernicus · #22 07-01-2006, 04:07 PM

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I suppose being a teacher could be stressful if you could get fired or your performance affected your pay. It would be immensely stressful if little kids had control over your fate.

However, they don't. Most public school teachers I knew didn't do any work and just ate donuts all day.

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I think youre mixing jobs here..they arent cops [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. (Now thats a hard job!)

I am not debating that you cant be a lazy POS as a teacher...you cant be a lazy POS and be a good teacher, and even if there are no "good teachers" that doesnt mean the job when done right doesnt have value to society. We dont need another 50,000 good mortgage brokers, we do need another 50,000 good teachers.

jokerthief · #23 07-01-2006, 04:13 PM

Copernicus,

I'm sorry, I just don't agree with anything you're saying here. You've basically just taken my points and said that you don't agree. I'm doing the same to you. I don't think we are going to find common ground on this one.

Copernicus · #24 07-01-2006, 04:56 PM

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Copernicus,

I'm sorry, I just don't agree with anything you're saying here. You've basically just taken my points and said that you don't agree. I'm doing the same to you. I don't think we are going to find common ground on this one.

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Why would this be any different than any other thread? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

snakekilla88 · #25 07-01-2006, 05:00 PM

There should be no argument that teachers contribute a great deal to society. Teachers shape the leaders of tommorow. Sports athletes well they entertain us...but their overall contributions to society are much less. Therefore the extreme pay grade differential just seems ridiculous.

hmkpoker · #26 07-01-2006, 06:06 PM

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We dont need another 50,000 good mortgage brokers, we do need another 50,000 good teachers.

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Really?

How does one determine what jobs are "needed" in society?

ShakeZula06 · #27 07-01-2006, 06:10 PM

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Anyone who has the notion that complete privatization of schools doesnt have a grip on reality.

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why?

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Copernicus, I think this is an important question. Could you explain your reasoning why you believe that privatization of schools is not as good as the current alternative? I think that this is a very important part of the debate.

ShakeZula06 · #28 07-01-2006, 06:13 PM

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We dont need another 50,000 good mortgage brokers, we do need another 50,000 good teachers.

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Really?

How does one determine what jobs are "needed" in society?

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Because doesn't it just feel like the right thing to do is force others to pour more money in to public schooling?

Copernicus · #29 07-01-2006, 06:13 PM

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There should be no argument that teachers contribute a great deal to society. Teachers shape the leaders of tommorow. Sports athletes well they entertain us...but their overall contributions to society are much less. Therefore the extreme pay grade differential just seems ridiculous.

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again, athletes and entertainers are paid for the income they generate. If 50 home games of some sport a year generate $75 million in revenue, and the owners need the talent to fill the seats, then the athletes deserve what the can get. If given the choice between paying $400 for a night out at the local arena with the kids, or paying an extra $400 taxes to upgrade the wages of the teachers of their kids (and presumably the quality of the teachers as a result), most will probably pick the sport event.

AFU? definitely, but thats not the athletes fault.

ShakeZula06 · #30 07-01-2006, 06:20 PM

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There should be no argument that teachers contribute a great deal to society. Teachers shape the leaders of tommorow. Sports athletes well they entertain us...but their overall contributions to society are much less. Therefore the extreme pay grade differential just seems ridiculous.

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If teachers do contribute so much to society (I"m not argueing with you, I believe they do) then they should have no problem getting paid a good salary by private schools.