(109) Bubble two pair with short stack about to post

[adanthar]

You aren't "trapping" anything by waiting until the turn, you're trying to alter ranges so you don't accidentally get it in as a ~60%-70% favorite (which SUCKS.)

[pineapple888]

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You aren't "trapping" anything by waiting until the turn, you're trying to alter ranges so you don't accidentally get it in as a ~60%-70% favorite (which SUCKS.)

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Additional points:

1.) Having the "best hand" is irrelevant in a situation where QQ is a preflop fold even if you know biggie is pushing any two

2.) Why did he think about it then just complete preflop? Is nobody worried that he's trapping? Remember we suck against an overpair.

[curtains]

ehhh good thing I never get into this situation but probably the guys who say to call are right....I dunno.

[EscapePlan9]

There's a small chance he's trapping. He could have been distracted, he could have wanted you to think he has a hand so you don't push him off... he could just be a major donk. Who knows? Either way, I'm never folding here and I'm always pushing. If he has an overpair, we're still a 70/30 favorite.

[pineapple888]

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ehhh good thing I never get into this situation but probably the guys who say to call are right....I dunno.

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I'll take that as a ringing endorsement. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

And I'm curious, why do you never get into this situation? It's not all that uncommon in my experience. I mean, not this exact hand, but where you are second and there are two shorties and you just have to chill pretty much no matter what.

[pineapple888]

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There's a small chance he's trapping. He could have been distracted, he could have wanted you to think he has a hand so you don't push him off... he could just be a major donk. Who knows? Either way, I'm never folding here and I'm always pushing. If he has an overpair, we're still a 70/30 favorite.

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You know, you can still win the hand later. Anyway, I'm done.

[curtains]

I never get into spot where I flop 2 pair I mean, against 2 really short stacks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[AMT]

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I never get into spot where I flop 2 pair I mean, against 2 really short stacks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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curtains is usually the short stack so he never has to worry about villain short stacks [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[b33nz]

i would just call.

[yellowjack]

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Wait for a turn where your equity will drastically change (hint #2: diamonds are probably not scary at all).

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This sums up my thoughts as well. The equity change from flop --> turn is very, very significant. In fact I'll type this unnecessary sentence so you stop and think about that for a bit.

I suppose adanthar is right with diamonds not being bad. So the only bad cards are any 7, 6, 4. Shove anything else on the turn.