I took a flop with 86 soooted (6.5)

[wiggs73]

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A) Why not raise pre on the button? The thing I hate about playing so passively on the button pre is that the times we flop a draw, it's hard to take an aggressive line that looks consistent with our pre-flop play... So now you're setting yourself up to make a bunch of calls and hope to get there with what probably won't be anything close to the nuts if you do.


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I should elaborate on this because I'm not saying that if you limp in you should always call the flop and never raise or anything. But consider that most flops that someone bets at you on are going to contain over cards that they probably paired so I don't think your FE is that high... I mean whatever line you take postflop, I can see a lot of chips going in the pot while you're drawing to a small flush and I don't really think your hand is going to be greatly disguised since you just limped preflop.

I know I'm just spewing thoughts at this point and should probably take more time to condense them and whatnot... but I think the implied odds in this type of hands really differ from the implied odds of say 66, which is a hand I WOULD limp with here. With 66, you have a really easy way of telling whether you should put a bunch of chips in on the flop. With a hand like 86s I think your implied odds come from being able to play post-flop like you don't have a flush draw or like you don't have a straight draw on a board of 379. So that way when you hit either of your draws your "villain" has a hard time putting you on 86s. So really, that entire approach of hand disguising stars with raising PF I think.

Plus you get the added advantages of being able to take the pot PF and being able to c-bet and take the pot.

[wiggs73]

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he's also played it like 4x, 56, A8, 77

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Raise PF and all those except 77 (sometimes A8) folds and 77 folds when you bet the flop = end of hand.

I'm being a nit now, I know. I'll stop.

[man]

wiggs,

I don't think at this level (this is a $6 sng right?) we're gaining much equity through deception. I think we'll make just as much when we hit a flush if we limp as if we raise.

[wiggs73]

You're may well be right... probably are since I'm the only one who would take my line.

Either NL100 is ruining my low stakes STT game or I'm an idiot who has luck boxed his way to temporary profit.

[mlagoo]

hey, if you're winning at NL100 i wouldn't worry too much about your low stakes STT game

[wiggs73]

True, but I try to post good advice. To be honest, I wish people would disagree with me more... I think it's helpful for everyone because it generates better discussion. I feel like a lot of the time someone that's a Pooh-bah makes a post, everyone assumes it's great advice. I think I post mostly good advice, hope so anyway, but I'm sure not everything I say is right. It's not like I don't still have leaks too.

Also, consider this could all just be complicated meta game work for STTHUC III. Maybe I don't want people knowing how I'd really play a hand in the event that I actually attend this one.

[Guthrie]

And here's how it ends.

UTG+1 calls.

River is a blank. UTG+1 shows Q8o and stacks your chips.

This is a 6.50, right?

[meleader2]

y does everyone think u have to bet? you have position, check behind and c/c a reasonable river.

[ChoicestHops]

Post flop is fine, but the problem is when you limp with these speculative hands you are giving up so much equity by having more players in. You can have a strong hand like this but with 6 players who knows what they have right now.

[meleader2]

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y does everyone think u have to bet? you have position, check behind and c/c a reasonable river.

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noone [censored] agrees with me? unless this is obvious to u fish now, then fine, but [censored] christ. CHECK behind. if he pushes the river and you don't improve, FOLD.

i get aggressive when i post, drink, come back for responses/rebuttles and see nothing. impress me.