Late in tourney, AQ in SB facing a Button push

[Mi_T_Sharp]

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You are more than a little ahead of his range IMO. However, if the table was REALLY weak, and you were stealing very easily, I MIGHT consider possibly folding. However, the situation would really have to be extreme.

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If the table was really weak, and stealing was easy, I think I would rather gamble here. You can easily make back the 12k in chips with a few steals since the blinds are so high, and you are about to be on the button having just shown down AQ. Regardless, this is an easy call IMO. I fold AQ in many types of situations with no problem, but I don't think I would ever fold AQ from the blinds in this spot. If he has AA/KK/AK, good for him. All I know is that you are ahead of even an extremely tight player's range in this spot.

[SoBeDude]

My friend (well known online player) is a strong advocate of folding and talked to Scott Fischman and The Grinder on IM about this hand.

Scott says Fold. Grinder says 70% fold, 30% call.

He also posted it on P5s and the majority there say fold. (please lets not get in to your opinion of that site)

Why do two such prominent and successful players fold here, and all the 2+2ers say call?

-Scott

[tubasteve]

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My friend (well known online player) is a strong advocate of folding and talked to Scott Fischman and The Grinder on IM about this hand.

Scott says Fold. Grinder says 70% fold, 30% call.

He also posted it on P5s and the majority there say fold. (please lets not get in to your opinion of that site)

Why do two such prominent and successful players fold here, and all the 2+2ers say call?

-Scott

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I would imagine they would rather fold and go for the sure blind steals and use their stacks to bully the other players in a more general sense than risk so much of their stack here on the mere speculation that we are slightly favored against his range.

Also, eliminating a player is insignificant til we get closer to the big money, and we are not at an artificial payout bubble (those are usually when tables break in the super right, aka 21-30 all pay the same?).

This is an example of passing up a small or unsure edge to exploit larger ones in future hands.

I would probably call because I am not as good as Scott Fischman ([img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]) of the Grinder ([img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]), and I don't think I could afford to pass this up. I would instacall this in fact (which is probably TERRIBLE).

Steve

[bugstud]

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My friend (well known online player) is a strong advocate of folding and talked to Scott Fischman and The Grinder on IM about this hand.

Scott says Fold. Grinder says 70% fold, 30% call.

He also posted it on P5s and the majority there say fold. (please lets not get in to your opinion of that site)

Why do two such prominent and successful players fold here, and all the 2+2ers say call?

-Scott

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because we don't pass up edges.

[Mi_T_Sharp]

I completely understand the idea behind folding. But, I can't fold this knowing that I am ahead of the Villian's range. And, that is probably because of 2+2.

[ActionBob]

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This is an example of passing up a small or unsure edge to exploit larger ones in future hands.


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This edge is certainly far from small here.

-ActionBob

[MLG]

my guess is that they very rarely play typical online tournaments (under 500 buy-in say) at this point. Therefore they are not familiar with the range that a button push signifies nor can they make accurate judgements about how likely they are to pick up chips without showdown moving forward.

[Ansky]

So I know this guy who knows a guy who knows this other guy and he said he'd fold. I told my friend that just saying fold without any reasoning is completely useless, and he said "no its ok because he's got a WPT win under his belt."

[Mi_T_Sharp]

From now on, I guess I should play like a high profile nit.

[CrazyPsycho]

I can't find a fold here at all. I had this exact situation the other day and the guy flipped over 42s.