Internet Poker... doomed from Day 1

[TheRock69]

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What makes poker tracker ethical and poker bots unethical?

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I am the one sitting in front on my computer deciding on what the best appropriate action to be taken place from what my PT is displaying to me.

On the other hand, the bot user is out of his house enjoying the 24/7 money he is obtaining by doing absolutely nothing.

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The computer will make the mathematicall correct decision based on the pokertracker stats with no mistakes. You will make a mathematical correct decision with some mistakes based on the pokertracker stats.
The pokertracker stats are not manualy calculated in your brain, the stats are computed artifically therefore pokertracker is a form of Artificial Intelligence just like a bot. Since player statistics is important; One could theortically say that a PT user play is 90% human 10% artifically?

[davehwm]

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I've never played poker in a B&M casino but I imagine that if I brought in a notebook and started taking player notes I might get escorted from the building.

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I've never played in one either, but I imagine not.

[PlayaHata]

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Assuming, for the moment, that you're not trolling, I'll make one observation:

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If you brought a device into a casino and sat at a poker table collecting information on other players on bet amounts, frequency of aggression, and so on, I guarantee that device would be confiscated or you would be escorted out of the casino. If you brought in a device that could tell you what Player A or B does in given situations because you 'recorded' his actions in a previous hand that you were not involved in, the same outcome would occur.

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You do bring such a device into the B&M poker room every time you go there to play. So does every other player. It's called Your Brain.

Does the fact that some players have trained themselves to use Their Brain more efficiently than others, at least at the task of playing poker, give them an unfair advantage? I think your answer to that would be, "no." The player is simply making better (legal and ethical) use of whatever resources are available to him.

So far, I don't believe anyone has been barred from a Poker Room for using his brain. Sadly, the same cannot be said about the blackjack tables.

I believe, and I'm sure most others here do too, that a player using PokerTracker is simply making better (legal and ethical) use of the resources that are available to him than the player who chooses not to use Poker Tracker.

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you misunderstood what i meant, and what on your own tangent. you did not use your own device to understand the meaning of the term device in my post.

[PlayaHata]

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What makes poker tracker ethical and poker bots unethical?

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I am the one sitting in front on my computer deciding on what the best appropriate action to be taken place from what my PT is displaying to me.

On the other hand, the bot user is out of his house enjoying the 24/7 money he is obtaining by doing absolutely nothing.

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The computer will make the mathematicall correct decision based on the pokertracker stats with no mistakes. You will make a mathematical correct decision with some mistakes based on the pokertracker stats.
The pokertracker stats are not manualy calculated in your brain, the stats are computed artifically therefore pokertracker is a form of Artificial Intelligence just like a bot. Since player statistics is important; One could theortically say that a PT user play is 90% human 10% artifically?

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yes, and having any % not your own is unethical IMO.

[slim]

I disagree with you Playa. All online players can have access to PT. Just because u don't know about it or can't afford it or choose not to use it, it's not anyone else's fault. It's like if I were at B&M and I wear sunglasses because I don't want people to get reads off me or so that I can see other people without them knowing I anm studying them......is that unethical? Everyone has access to sunglasses but not everyone chooses to use them. I know LOTS of people who have PT but still cannot win because their level of understanding of the game is not high enough to allow them to make the best possible decisions even with PT stats.

I've seen people at B&M take notes with notepads and pen.....is that unethical?

By your logic, someone who has a photgraphic memory is exploiting those who do not.I don't have photographic memory and so someone who does, has information not available to me.

And the rules of online poker allows for programs like PT....so it's case closed. They don't allow datamining anymore (Party)but still allow PT so that tells u that it is not unethical. I guess it's like steroids in sports....if MLB says steroids are allowed, then it's not cheating. If they say it's not allowed and a player uses it, then it's cheating. We're just playing by the rules.

[PlayaHata]

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I've never played poker in a B&M casino but I imagine that if I brought in a notebook and started taking player notes I might get escorted from the building. Yet poker sites all have player note capabilities. These sites must be unethical!

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your sarcasm does not go without a point.

[HRFats]

I have to disagree with your title that internet poker was doomed from day 1. Quite the opposite - it is thriving and growing every day.

[Hume]

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If you brought a device into a casino and sat at a poker table collecting information on other players on bet amounts, frequency of aggression, and so on, I guarantee that device would be confiscated or you would be escorted out of the casino.

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[davehwm]

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And the rules of online poker allows for programs like PT....so it's case closed.

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I'm not allowed to believe something isn't ethical just because Party Poker believes it is?

[BigBluffer]

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you misunderstood what i meant, and what on your own tangent. you did not use your own device to understand the meaning of the term device in my post.

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I'll leave it to the clairvoyants on the board to devine what you "meant" to say. I simply responded to what you did say.