no limit holdem/future of limit holdem?

[dangerfish]

I commented on the thread and still didn't know what you were talking about. There were some comments about nl vs lhe but I don't see the harm in examining the issue further.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Big NL just has huge short term swings. The games play much bigger. A guy gets lucky 5 hands in a row, playing 300/600 NL and he wins 500K in an hour. Even if you're playing 1k/2k fixed limit, you'll basically never run up 500k that fast. And it will be over many hands against the same guy so if you're running that hot, he's going to quit you more often than not. Those guys who are winning a million a month are not doing it every month. It's just a lot easier to see the wild outliers in NL. If you like FL better, stay there. There are plenty of fish and you'll win plenty of money. Obviously, though, less tv exposure = smaller player pool = less money. But not as much less as you seem to think.

[SteveL91]

I'm hoping the trend towards PLO continues. At this point, I'm not sure if it's worth learning to play NL (for me specifically), but the PLO games still seem very, very good. Playing anything below 2/4NLHE or so is like watching paint dry, and tends to be filled with nits. In these games, it really feels playing any amount of mid/high SHLHE is a major hindrance. But, at 2/4 or so where things seem to get more aggressive, I think I'd get eaten alive until I picked up on the nuances of NLHE. I just don't know how many buy-ins I'd spew off before (if ever) getting things figured out.

My PLO game is competent, and I'm a winner up through 2/4 or so; haven't really played anything higher. Not to mention that just observing the O8 and Stud games in addition to playing the PLO games makes me think there's much greener pastures these days than trying to grind LHE. Basically, I think to the old adage about being well-rounded, and having the ability to play whatever looks good. I'm hoping to develop my O8 and Stud games to the point that I'll be able to jump into the 30/60+ games on Stars over the next year or so. Might be too ambitious, but we'll see.

[Philuva]

I think the UIGEA hurt limit games significantly more than NL games as the avg. age of a limit player tended to be older than a NL player and less likely to go through a lot of extra work to figure out how to get their money in and out of sites because they are probably less computer and Internet savvy.

[Victor]

bankroll in relation to hourly rate is much smaller at nl. i think winrate of a decent 2/4nl and a decent 10/20 lhe is close to the same. proly around 50c a hand. i would say equivalent, fairly conservative, bankrolls are 8k and 20k respectively.

naturally this shows that the downswings are indeed much smaller in relation to $/hand at nl.

[chesterboy]

8k is way too small of a roll. Definitely not conservative. I understand 30 BI is considered "OK" and 50+ to be "conservative.

[TheWorstPlayer]

If you're a solid winner at 2/4 and you don't play some sick super-LAG style then 20 BIs is definitely fine, especially if you're willing to move down. Probably more on par with 400-500BB bankroll than 1KBB bankroll for FL, though.

[Borys313]

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bankroll in relation to hourly rate is much smaller at nl. i think winrate of a decent 2/4nl and a decent 10/20 lhe is close to the same. proly around 50c a hand. i would say equivalent, fairly conservative, bankrolls are 8k and 20k respectively.

naturally this shows that the downswings are indeed much smaller in relation to $/hand at nl.

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After 3-beting and 4-beting became so popular its next to impossible to play NLHE with 20 buy-ins unless losing half of your money in one hour doesnt bother you.

[dangerfish]

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bankroll in relation to hourly rate is much smaller at nl. i think winrate of a decent 2/4nl and a decent 10/20 lhe is close to the same. proly around 50c a hand. i would say equivalent, fairly conservative, bankrolls are 8k and 20k respectively.

I think that is a little on the high side for both nl and lhe. If your making 50cents a hands playing 2-4 nl then discussion is over because you will be able to crush your lhe winrate just on volume alone.

naturally this shows that the downswings are indeed much smaller in relation to $/hand at nl.

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[Victor]

well, ive played like 30k hands of nl (2-4 to 5-10) and my biggest downswing was 6 buyins. suppose i just ran hot.