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Old 05-30-2007, 10:35 PM
Chaoslord Chaoslord is offline
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Default Re: Live, deep, nuts on turn, bad river, call $4,000?

i agree, imo thats a set or some wired bluff often enough to make calling profitable.
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: Live, deep, nuts on turn, bad river, call $4,000?

i'd call this anyway but if he would ever raise T8 utg this becomes a LOLcall
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Old 05-31-2007, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: Live, deep, nuts on turn, bad river, call $4,000?

Yeah surprised no mentioned that T8 got there on the river as well, until CATerp did.
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Old 06-01-2007, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: Live, deep, nuts on turn, bad river, call $4,000?

At first I thought easy fold, but how often does he have JJ here or AA with Ac? Anyhow, I can lay it down or call, depending on my feel for the situation.
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Old 06-01-2007, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Live, deep, nuts on turn, bad river, call $4,000?

Villian opened for 5x BB UTG, seems to make 99 or 77 (or even JJ) more likely than anything with two clubs, information about his play notwithstanding.

I don't understand how he could just call the turn with that hand though. On the other hand, just calling the 2K with a draw, unless its Ac9c or maybe AcKc, doesn't seem too swift either.

I agree with what someone else said, if you don't call, you're playing scared, but I'd expect my ev to be only slightly positive in the long run here.
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Old 06-01-2007, 06:14 PM
Aisthesis Aisthesis is offline
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Default Re: Live, deep, nuts on turn, bad river, call $4,000?

Yeah, the more I think about his, the generic play is call, and that's what you have to do until you have a better feel for this guy's play. I also think his considering pushing the turn speaks for the call.

One thing I will say about his considering the turn raise: Your flop raise was awfully big, and (if he's good) he could have just been testing the waters to see how you looked given the possibility of a raise. I don't think that test excludes AKs by any means, but it also doesn't exclude an overpair.

If you lose, you lose, but with the info you have, I think you need to call.
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