AJo turning 2pr and hating it...

[bravos1]

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For the record you also beat TT.

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We were beating TT on the flop, so as mentioned, the turn really didn't help us except against QQ.
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Personally I'm not convinced by the pre-flop play. I'd question the open raise, and then the call. I think that this is were the trouble started. Flop and turn basically hit your hand. You should have either never seen the flop, or now take it all the way.

(but I only play .25/.50 badly, so don't take my criticism too harshly)

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PF is pretty standard for the level played.

[jstill]

noone actually wanted to fold this rite? I think i like not putting in a raise here as well and just bet calling the river if he checks to me on a blank (even tho i know i should fold if he pulls that but just wont cuz his lines too odd and our hands too good).

[Unstable James]

*grunch*

I think you're good here a little better than 1 time in 3. I couldn't possibly raise, but 5:2 on a call-down seems just good enough.

[tailspin4540]

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don't fold.

call and bet river if checked to. You have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so it is unlikely he is 3 betting preflop and betting the flop and turn with a flush draw. I would be fearing AK if he is that straight foreward of a player.

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I agree with this reasoning. My initial thought was to raise, but a raise doesn't get us the result we want often enough (no worse hand calls, and we can't call a 3-bet). I call and hope a Q doesn't fall on the river.

If villian leads river, what do we do?

[RabidTortuga]

Grunching. I fold the flop. What's he 3-betting preflop that we're ahead of on the flop? AQ and TT?

We're behind AA-JJ, AK, KQ, KJ. If all 5 outs are good, we need ~ 8.5:1 to call and we're only getting 5.5:1. It's probably even worse since alot of the time hitting our A is no good.

We could raise the flop looking to take it to the river cheaply, since we'll probably only get reraised by KK and sometimes JJ here, but we can clearly fold to the reraise. I'd like this line better than calling, but I still think this is a fold.

edit: Forgot we were on the turn, as I really didn't like the flop play. Having called the flop, I'm calling down here with 2-pair.

Fold the flop, though.

[wrkingtobegreat]

Grunch- If he's playing straightforward,the only hands that you can beat are KQ, AQ, or AJ (tie).He could easily have kings,aces, or the all-too probably AK. However if he is tricky, he might be trying to get you out of the pot with the turn bet, possibly thinking you dont have an ace or two pair. Its real close b/w calling, check-calling the river and folding.

[00Snitch]

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Personally I'm not convinced by the pre-flop play. I'd question the open raise, and then the call


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Personally, I'm not convinced you like money.

I think the flop call is quite thin. There is a fair chance you are behind and getting 5.5:1 you need to find about 8 outs to call.

[Shillx]

I wouldn't fold to the re-raise PF but I don't think it is terrible or anything. This is actually an easy hand to play as you just call-call-call when you make top pair. If you assume that the dude is sane and repops JJ+/AK then you have about 45% equity when a J flops and 55% when an A hits. You only have about 10% equity on a KJx flop so this is a pretty easy flop fold. You also have position and that really helps. I would still call OOP but you might lose some value when your hand is best. You will always get punished when it is 2nd best so that could turn it into a fold (in a vacuum). If you hit a good flop say 30% of the time and call all 3 streets, your EV would look like...

EV = + 4.5 SB * .3 * .5 - 1 SB * .7 = - .025 SB/hand

You basically breakeven when you flop a pair so all the $$$ that goes in post-flop is chopped up. But lets say that you lose 1 BB of value when your hand is good (will sometimes happen when OOP). If he has KK and the flop is A84 he might decide to check behind on the turn and call a river bet.

EV = + 2.5 SB * .3 * .5 - 1 SB * .7 = - .325 SB/hand

This is obviously simplified but it should get the point across. There are other considerations (image, off chance of hitting a big hand, he might be re-raising lightly) that push it more toward a call. If this were a test question or something and you only looked at the EV of the situation then it might actually be a fold. Probably would be OOP against a non-tricky/tight reraiser. Similar comments if this were the last hand you would ever play but people are going to get tougher if you start raise/folding PF. Any semi-reasonable player is going to start pushing back more often if you do this kind of thing.

As for the hand: Eh I dunno you are getting 3:1 on a calldown but you might be in bad shape. You are only about 30% to win or so against JJ+ and AK. Def fold flop and maybe fold turn.