am i overthinking this

[jlocdog]

everyone,

what if i had AKd or AQd? Does this change my flop thought process and/or action....

[shpanko]

fold is pretty retarded I think, especially live where this flop donk is typically an 89 hand or even something like 44 or diamonds. I'd either just call and see how things develop behiund you or make a small raise to 85 to thin the field. If I'm played back at then I'll fold but i think folding the first time around is way weak

[Tarheel]

Don't fold. Don't stack off for 175 BB. Do whatever it takes to get that done against these guys.

[jlocdog]

tarheel,

that advice seems sorta useless. too general. how much are willing to invest before folding if you dont wanna stack off? are you calling the flop or raising then? please be more specific then offering this general stereotypical hallmark response.

[Weaktite77]

sucks that so many people called pre... solution? bet more pre!! (fwiw i play at a 1-3 game regularly and open to 30 preflop with AA and still get 2 or 3 callers lol)

when you say table is awful and everybody thinks everyone is bluffing, does that mean table plays passively and calls everything, or does it mean table plays aggressively trying to get people off their "bluffs?" From the fact that you got so many callers preflop i would tend to lean towards the former. (also is it common place to see so many people go to the flop?)

Since this is live, i think you tend to see just an 8 or pp here often. with that said, i would raise to 100, and if you get action from anyone other the the initial raiser, you've gotta decide whether flush draws are in their range or not.
if it folds back to main villain, what your next actions will be depend on what type of player he is.

[AL5AcE]

I want to talk about HU on the turn if villan calls. (all other scenarios should be easy)

What is the plan? bet/fold anything < J, chk Q,K,A / call river?

2 good ways we can get here:
Small Raise to $60-75
Raise to $90-100
Any difference in strategy?

[Weaktite77]

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I want to talk about HU on the turn if villan calls. (all other scenarios should be easy)

What is the plan? bet/fold anything < J, chk Q,K,A / call river?

2 good ways we can get here:
Small Raise to $60-75
Raise to $90-100
Any difference in strategy?

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i think live is an entirely different beast from online, espcially when your around bad players, who tend to give off tells. I think you shouldn't be settled into a certain strategy until you see how villain responds to the next street. and like i said, your action also greatly depends how what type of player villain is.

[yesplease]

weaktite77,

doesn't raising to 100 make my life very difficult if i do get resistance? not sure if i wanna stack off with a weaker overpair on a paired board. maybe but i don't know...

also to everyone that says folding is absurd as is calling,

we do have 3 people with immediate position as well as both blinds still to act. thats alot of people to try and decipher their hands/motives if they should infact call or reraise themselves. just a thought....