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#11
03-01-2007, 04:34 PM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
I think this is very player specific and a standard plan will fit at most half of the elite players doing this to you. Some do this with air probably 50% of the time, but others aren't. My read on Annette is that she certainly isn't doing this with complete air and even if you're ahead with the Ace, she's got a good draw you still would have to fade / hope to tie with your 7
Note this is based on data more than 2 months old since I massively curtailed online play since moving to LA and finding cash games available to my liking (Annette may have moved on from this strategy), but I always seemed to end up in LP a lot with her in BB and have 5 instances of her flat calling preflop raise and leading out the flop - I shoved all of them and got 1 laydown and had to face race/showdown on the others with Annette holding AK, AQ, Ax where x makes TPTK, and one sickening massive combo draw (FD+OESD with one over card to the board). 
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#12
03-01-2007, 04:39 PM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
Well that changes my opinion drastically, as I have no idea what her style is just that she's one of the top MTTers.
Isn't it like 1/3 of your chips anyway? And that's kind of my point, putting that much of your stack in she's gotta be thinking you have some kind of goods. If I had any idea her style of play (not one to float here) then I'd be folding without any thought. Against a weaker unknown, I'm taking my original line and expecting to see a laydown very often on the flop, and almost always when I push the turn (pushing turn is kind of dependent on what turn is, though).
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#14
03-01-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
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[ QUOTE ] great bet by her, i fold. if we had a better ace i would probably shove [/ QUOTE ] How big of an ace would you need to shove? I kind of like a shove here because I think she has some sort of semi-bluff (either hearts or overcards) way more than she has a set/2 pr. I'm not sure how our kicker matters much unless you think she has 88-99 and is going to call our shove, then we get 3 more outs. [/ QUOTE ] i think bigger aces make up a decent part of her range
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#15
03-01-2007, 05:17 PM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] great bet by her, i fold. if we had a better ace i would probably shove [/ QUOTE ] How big of an ace would you need to shove? I kind of like a shove here because I think she has some sort of semi-bluff (either hearts or overcards) way more than she has a set/2 pr. I'm not sure how our kicker matters much unless you think she has 88-99 and is going to call our shove, then we get 3 more outs. [/ QUOTE ] i think bigger aces make up a decent part of her range [/ QUOTE ] And she calls a shove with them?
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#16
03-01-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
Isn't shoving here WAY overbetting the pot?
There was a 6k raise PF with 2 callers to make it 12k plus the SB and antes for 13.7k. She bets 8k into the pot on the flop which is now 21.7k, for you to call it'd be 29.7k, and you have 54k+ left. So, I guess it's not way overbetting like I originally was thinking. But still, am I wrong in thinking she's more likely to call a push with a weak-ish (but semi-made and better than yours) hand than a smaller raise? I'd really like to know what some of you guys think of my line on this.
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#17
03-01-2007, 07:56 PM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
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Who is Anette_15? Does she call HJ raises, then bet rag flops with air only to fold to a reraise? If not, we're in bad shape. She might have air, but that's the ONLY thing we can beat. More importantly, I think air is probably the only hand we are pushing out. I think it's a fold. [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts precisely. If someone weak bets into me as a pf raiser, i will raise 2/3 pot, and usually either get shoved on, or folded. But, this is a big bet, into a pf raiser where all our chips are on the line, and we may even be drawing very slim or dead. And after reading about Annette, i think i def. fold this
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#19
03-02-2007, 04:34 AM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
The lead into the raiser was sort of interesting because this is basically an action flop. Any ace has a gutshot and an over pair looks good. If I had a legitimate raising hand like AK or JJ, I would probably want to put the money in.
As it is, with A7, I am about 30% against 88+ and about 23% against AT+. Annette calling in the BB could also have hit the flop harder with low cards. It is kind of hard to figure out whether she is taking a stab at the pot, has a hand similar to mine and doesn't want to be pushed off of it, has some kind of draw she is willing to go allin with, or has a big hand and is leading into the raiser hoping for action. Of course this ambiguity is part of what makes her a strong player. I think part of the lesson is that I shouldn't have raised her blinds with a marginal hand, as another relatively big stack on the bubble.
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#20
03-02-2007, 06:53 AM
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Re: Raise with A7o, BB leads into raiser on 542 flop
How about a call? Do you think she is firing again with air? I don't know how she plays, but alot of players will give up on the turn, and if she has something like a pair of 8's alot of scarecards can come on the turn. My only concern is that we probably aren't deep enough to do this.
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