7-Stud ruling question

[MichaelOar]

Thanks. I was reasonably sure that this was the rule (and this was a mighty large 30/60 pot) thus, I raised holy hell!

Floor rules that his hand is live and the verbal declaration isn't binding. Now, since his cards are now a jumbled mess, the floor also tells him that he has to put all of his cards face up on table, since he can't be sure which cards were up and which were down!? I'm of course beaten and fold.
I was a visitor in this casino, and everyone else in the stud game was a regular AND about 40 years older that I was, so I'm not sure how much that had to do with this ruling.
Thanks for the info,
Michael

[Jeffage]

What about this situation? I was playing in AC awhile back and bluffed the river against one opponent with four hearts on board. He thought and called, simultaneously mucking his board and holding all his cards in his hand like he was ready for a Go Fish game. Then when I showed, he rolled over a straight. Obviously, I didn't say anything since I'm not trying to win a pot without the best hand in a showdown, but curious if these same thoughts apply here or only turning your board down in response to a bet is considered a fold.

Jeff

[RR]

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but curious if these same thoughts apply here or only turning your board down in response to a bet is considered a fold.

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Only when facing a bet. At showdown there is no way for him to gain information by pickig up his board cards. The business about picking up your board cards when facing a bet being a fold is because it can look like he is folding and cause the other players to act on their hand (or show as the case maybe). In the OP that hand is dead, but I would not be as quick as Robert is to kill a hand just for picking it up (his reasoning is valid, but if a little old lady needs to pick up her two hearts on the board and put them next to the three in her hand to figure out if all five of them are the same suit she can).