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Old 02-09-2006, 08:08 PM
Gobgogbog Gobgogbog is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?

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I call a lot of donkbets when they come from unexpected places , but I don't really know what to make of the UTG limp by a 21/14

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utg was a bad player he folded the flop
bb is the 21/14

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Guess I need to read more carefully. I think he's FOS and I don't think you have to fold.
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?

I'd call it down and take notes. He could have a lone [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and wants to increase his chance of winning.

If you're ahead he may have a lot of outs to beat you, but you're still a solid favourite. If he has two overcards with a flushdraw (15 outs) you're a 2:1 favourite. If you're behind you're crushed but against an aggressive player, you can never really assume that. I'd put more stock in a semi-bluff than a made hand, since I think a stronger hand probably checkraises you here. Also if a fourth [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hits on the river you can fold and save a bet, which increases your profit on the hand.

I think a calldown is good here.
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:18 PM
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I call the turn

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he bets, I call

thats pretty standard right, thats about the best card in the deck to hit, he pretty much can't have a 4
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:19 PM
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Default Re: River Card

If you aren't calling this river then you shouldn't be calling the turn. Looks like a good hand.
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Old 02-10-2006, 12:42 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?

I don't think he's bluffing.

I don't think this is a good spot to bluff.

If it is a bluff, I don't think he'll try this more than 20% of the time. (Your getting 5:1 to call.)

If he's not bluffing, your going to have to call another bet on the river.

So I'd fold, BUT,

Because of the way it felt to you, I think there's something to be said for following your instinct. I think you could call the turn and fold if he bet again on the river. Just because you call the turn, doesn't mean you have to call the river.
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Old 02-10-2006, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?

i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.
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Old 02-10-2006, 02:56 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?

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i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.

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Yeah, me too. If you don't want to fold it then I think you should raise it. If he just picked up a draw like you think then you don't want him seeing the river because so many cards could hurt you. I think calling here is the worst option.
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Old 02-19-2006, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: River Card

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I call the turn

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he bets, I call

thats pretty standard right, thats about the best card in the deck to hit, he pretty much can't have a 4

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man this thread feels so unfinished to me. Plus Im curious as to what happened.

turn raise depends if it folds out better hands or how often u could get 3bet
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Old 02-19-2006, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 I know he\'s FOS, but do I still have to fold?

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i raise turn
lolol

seriously though, i raise turn.

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Same. Calling down ain't bad since it allows you to release to a 4th spade.

Krishan
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: River Card

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I call the turn

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he bets, I call

thats pretty standard right, thats about the best card in the deck to hit, he pretty much can't have a 4

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man this thread feels so unfinished to me. Plus Im curious as to what happened.

turn raise depends if it folds out better hands or how often u could get 3bet

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he had QJ 1spade MHIG

isn't a turn raise a good way to get 2BB in and not see a SD a lot, I guess I don't think he's donk/folding too often and plenty of nasty river cards
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