AJ off - man i hate that hand.

[unterfish]

Yes. I AM serious.
This turn check-raise usually means no good. But you have enough outs to make it good. At least call it.

[calidris]

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Yes. I AM serious.
This turn check-raise usually means no good. But you have enough outs to make it good. At least call it.

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What? Seruiously, what do you think villain has? This looks like a typical "flopped 2-pair or set and wait til turn to get more money". Really, the pot is too small to fight over here.

[unterfish]

Ok. You are probably right. The pot doesnt offer enough to make good two-pair.
You convinced me: its a fold cause the pot is too small. Especially because its on the turn, not the river.

[mvoss]

Call down, a read would help though.

[Riku]

Im not saying calling down wouldn´t be correct, just to be clear. Im just saying i wouldn´t make calling down my standard play, unless some one here can convince me otherwise. I need to pay 2 bets to get to the showdown. Without any reads, i don´t feel comfortable doing that.

[ottsville]

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[Hielko]

I think folding is ok, but I would usually call this down against a more aggressive opponent.

[antneye]

It's one thing to call a turn raise with outs, but what are our outs here? We have 3 outs against A3 and A6. And we are drawing dead to any set and AQ. I doubt he has AQ wth his pf raise % since he didnt 3-bet, but I think its pretty clear that with this size pot we have no business calling when we feel we are beat and have at best 3 outs.
Believe me, I make this mistake all the time, but this is 2 bets we are talking about here......this could be our profit for the next 100 hands we are pissing away.

If this guy had a big post flop aggression factor I would consider calling down, but 200 hands is a good enough sample for me to believe his .8.

I'll eat my hat if OP shows us that he called down and his hand held up.

[jaxUp]

to the people in this thread fretting about his 0.86 AF:

This number is fairly meaningless without a read. He may be an aggressive opponent who also likes to call. Maybe he will bet and raise with even the slightest piece, and callcallcall when he misses.

This hand illustrates the importance of actually watching how a player plays.

Try not to get too caught up in a readless stat.

[marchron]

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It's one thing to call a turn raise with outs, but what are our outs here? We have 3 outs against A3 and A6. And we are drawing dead to any set and AQ. I doubt he has AQ wth his pf raise % since he didnt 3-bet, but I think its pretty clear that with this size pot we have no business calling when we feel we are beat and have at best 3 outs.
Believe me, I make this mistake all the time, but this is 2 bets we are talking about here......this could be our profit for the next 100 hands we are pissing away.

If this guy had a big post flop aggression factor I would consider calling down, but 200 hands is a good enough sample for me to believe his .8.

I'll eat my hat if OP shows us that he called down and his hand held up.

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We have six outs against A3 or A6 (three J's, three Q's). The only set he could reasonably have is 33, since AA and QQ three-ball it preflop and he'd likely fold 66 to the flop bet. We're also winning if he has a worse ace — not terribly likely, but possible, since AT is definitely in his range.

If this were a loose-passive opponent, then yeah, we fold to the check/raise all day long and feel good about it. But this dude's just laggy enough to merit a calldown.