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22pajo 01-07-2007 07:56 AM

AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
Limit: $1/$2
10 players

Villian: 36/15/0.86 over 200 hands.
I had seen him cold call small pocket pairs preflop and raise ATo preflop at one point.

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 5 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, Hero ????

tyler_cracker 01-07-2007 08:13 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
how about a postflop read to help with your postflop decision?

call down. 7:2 isn't great odds, but you'll see a worse A or some kind of semibluff or something retarded often enough.

unterfish 01-07-2007 08:14 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
I call down.
This could be a better hand like two-pair.
But without any further read and only stats this guy is maniac. You have a decent hand (top pair, good kicker) to call down to be good enough IMO.
And bet if he checks on the river!

plonker 01-07-2007 08:16 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
Yep I would defin call this down! As said before you have a decent hand

Niediam 01-07-2007 08:24 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
I never fold here.

My default play is to call down but if villian is very aggressive (aka would raise with a Q or A4 here) I'll either reraise on the turn or raise the river.

Riku 01-07-2007 08:37 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
EveryoneŽs pretty much calling this down. Is this another limit related thing... villains being more tricky and all? If this was nano limit - iŽd say youŽre toast.

unterfish 01-07-2007 08:48 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
[ QUOTE ]
EveryoneŽs pretty much calling this down. Is this another limit related thing... villains being more tricky and all? If this was nano limit - iŽd say youŽre toast.

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Interesting. Why?
Villain is LAG.
And why nano limit?

ottsville 01-07-2007 08:52 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
[ QUOTE ]
This could be a better hand like two-pair.
But without any further read and only stats this guy is maniac.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah he's LA pf but do you really think 0.86 AF is a maniac? IMO, hero is rarely good here.

unterfish 01-07-2007 09:07 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
Ok. Maybe he isnt maniac, but hes aggressive enough to make fancy plays. Even fish with 0.2 AF make fancy bluffs on the river when a scare card comes IMO.

antneye 01-07-2007 09:23 AM

Re: AJ off - man i hate that hand.
 
Are you guys serious on this hand? You don't get a 0.86 post flop aggression factor by bluff raising turns. Hell, I have a 2.5 factor and seldom am bluffing my turn raises. Hero is toast here and needs to learn to lay these hands down if he wants to be a winner at 1/2.


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