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Old 12-19-2006, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

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So much value T_T
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Old 12-19-2006, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

when do you plan on betting this hand then? checkraising the turn?

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I dislike your flop bet. At an aggressive table, CO is going to bet the flop for you very often. After all, it's only him against the blinds.

The turn seems like a standard check. Hopefully I'm not missing anything.

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Old 12-19-2006, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

If it gets heads up with CO on the turn, I would check call the turn and either check call the river or bet/fold it (likely just check call after the turn K).

If it goes to that turn 3-way, I would check call again and reevaluate on the river. If it were a low turn card, I would likely check call 3-way once again, and then lead out on the river.

Having the flop check through is so far from a disaster, and it doesn't happen too often with a CO vs. the blinds hand. CO will bet the flop with ATC more than often to make up for any value you miss from them calling with worse hands on a AKx board.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I bet the flop, hoping to get some action with top pair and the flush draw. Once they both called the flop and the turn card paired, I figured I would check because almost surely one of them would take a stab at it. Unfortunately, I got a little more action than I expected.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

i bet the flop and the turn. and call down from turn if raised.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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I bet the flop, hoping to get some action with top pair and the flush draw. Once they both called the flop and the turn card paired, I figured I would check because almost surely one of them would take a stab at it. Unfortunately, I got a little more action than I expected.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

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I would be very surprised (basically horrified) if you actually showed this down.
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Old 12-19-2006, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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I bet the flop, hoping to get some action with top pair and the flush draw. Once they both called the flop and the turn card paired, I figured I would check because almost surely one of them would take a stab at it. Unfortunately, I got a little more action than I expected.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

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I would be very surprised (basically horrified) if you actually showed this down.

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Yeah... except if the river gets checked through. I'm really surprised BB didn't give me more flop action and that CO gave so much turn action.

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 4d Ad (two pair, aces and kings).
BB has Td Qd (one pair, kings).
CO has Js Jc (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB. </font>
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:29 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

Good hand post if for no other reason than it's a real easy turn check which most people apparantly don't make.
I'm in the flop check column as well.
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