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#11
11-09-2006, 06:14 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people. [/ QUOTE ] I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here. [/ QUOTE ] He's also pushing against 3 players. There's no draws that he could be pushing. Do you really think he does this w/o a K often enough to call here? It's either way ahead or way behind. I think we're behind more often than not. Also, If you insist on continuing with the hand I think calling is better than pushing. At least this way you leave yourself an exit strategy if SB was going for a check-raise. Pushing is pretty bad IMO. Sure you might be able to get SB to fold a weak K but it's not likely enough to make the push. [/ QUOTE ] So you would invest 1k of your stack leaving just over 700 behind? 
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#12
11-09-2006, 06:18 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people. [/ QUOTE ] I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here. [/ QUOTE ] He's also pushing against 3 players. There's no draws that he could be pushing. Do you really think he does this w/o a K often enough to call here? It's either way ahead or way behind. I think we're behind more often than not. Also, If you insist on continuing with the hand I think calling is better than pushing. At least this way you leave yourself an exit strategy if SB was going for a check-raise. Pushing is pretty bad IMO. Sure you might be able to get SB to fold a weak K but it's not likely enough to make the push. [/ QUOTE ] So you would invest 1k of your stack leaving just over 700 behind? [/ QUOTE ] I woudn't get involved to begin with. However, I still think calling is best. SB is playing this hand after a push and call from the PF raiser w/o a K. If he comes along you can be pretty damn sure you're drawing to 2 outs as most. F all that pot committed nonsense. It's better to leave yourself an exit strategy. I see people make the worst calls ever because they feel pot committed. If you know you're beat and you know you don't have the pot odds to continue, you fold. Simple as that. The pot committed concept is overrrated.
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#14
11-09-2006, 06:33 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
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Well I am probably shoving preflop instead of raising a 1/4 of my stack. [/ QUOTE ] An argument can be made for this. Hoever, I prefer to make a standard raise. An A or K will only flop about 1/3rd of the time. Even those times, we won't always be behind. I want action here. An argument could be made either way though. Anyways, I'm out for the weekend. Have a good one.
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#15
11-09-2006, 08:24 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
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Well I am probably shoving preflop instead of raising a 1/4 of my stack. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, but this looks just like a "I dont like to make any decision postflop, i rather go all in leave a good opportunity to double up". Raising is perfectly ok. The Problem is just the King on the board. So what? Than you fold this time. I allready said that in other posts, too: QQ+ are not supposed to win all the time, but most of the time. This is probably one of the easiest folds in poker. Most of the time there is no overcard and then you can stack some villains. Dont shed crocodile tears after your QQ [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I agree with JSH06...get away from that Pot commited junk, if you have so many chips left...
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#16
11-09-2006, 09:25 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
I think SB still left to act makes this a fold, but I don't like it much.
Also, I probably bump it to t400 preflop to gain value.
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#17
11-09-2006, 10:20 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
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He's pushing into 3 people here. He has a K more often than not. [/ QUOTE ] This is way too insightful for the 16's. These people aren't going to know the difference between shoving into six people and minbetting 1/10 the pot heads up. Raise more preflop (500) so you're less likely to face a sticky flop decision.
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#20
11-14-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: $16s call or fold?
I'd personally raise to t350-t400 here. Pushing is fine but it's certainly not optimal.
And I'd fold on this flop, if it were heads-up and he was betting into me I'd be obviously inclined to call but 4-way, I'll trust he's probably holding a King.
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