PP5-10 - heads up with laggy BB

[bozlax]

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If he is as LAG as he seems

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Now I think you're giving Hero's "read" too much credit. You've seen 22 hands, and haven't been paying attention. If this is a re-steal, I don't mind taking it down on the flop. If not, I don't want to get cute without being able to at least say, "I've seen 22 hands, and he's been pushing hard with crap," or, "I've seen him playing hard but not showing down."

[JJH3984]

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If he is as LAG as he seems

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Now I think you're giving Hero's "read" too much credit. You've seen 22 hands, and haven't been paying attention. If this is a re-steal, I don't mind taking it down on the flop. If not, I don't want to get cute without being able to at least say, "I've seen 22 hands, and he's been pushing hard with crap," or, "I've seen him playing hard but not showing down."

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Thats why I qualified it. Anyway, if he had more hands, I think its an easy call down. As is, it's a qualified call down. A call down also allows you to develop your read on him. I just don't think raising the flop has much value.

[BenA]

Good link, Hobbs. Those examples help me a lot in thinking about these often awkward flop situations.

To the OP, even in a blind steal situation, there must be a point in the hand where you realize that you are not going to get someone to fold, and I think that should have happened somewhere between his flop 3-bet and turn donk.

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I took his opening bet to mean a J, a 2, a small pair, spades, or anything else a loose BB would call a position raise with, so I put in the standard raise. Given my standard raise I felt his 3-bet could easily have been light and didn't think folding to his 3 bet or calling and folding to a turn bet were great options. Hence the cap to represent a good hand and take control.


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The 'standard raise.'?? I suppose you mean the continuation raise considering your PF raise? You just said you took his bet to mean a J, 2, 2 spades, or a small pair. Okay, I can see the raise given his wide range for control, but when you get 3-bet, you just assume he is raising light because he's a lagtard (which you haven't proven), and so you cap?? to take control? Control of what? The only good thing this could really accomplish is at this point is 1)cheap showdown 2) hand disguise if you hit your Ace and 3) information as to what his turn bet means. Its beginning to appear that you have no fold equity...

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I thought his lead on the flush card was hinky and felt it was a good card for him to bluff on. I raised to try to fold his J, small pair or junk. Once he called I was done.

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Why would his lead on the flush card be hinky? You ended the last betting round with your cap, so leading out doesn't nescessarily just mean a pure bluff. You raise to fold a J? That's not gonna happen. You are putting 2 bets now into this bloated pot to 'maybe' get rid of this guy who is clearly not afraid of what you are holding, with a hand that has little showdown value.

I like your early agressiveness, but like I said, look for that point at which you must realize that you are drawing. The pot is getting pretty big, and your almost pure bluff line gets less effective with every bet put into the pot. At least you got a free showdown.

[alul]

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I normally stick to 3-6 and below

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I've played a couple orbits but haven't been paying attention.

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You should pay more attention than usual when playing higher limits. About the hand: you should usually play .05/.1 when you need to let the steam out. As played - bet the river, 3-bet if raised. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]