Tipping, automatic gratuity for large parties

[edfurlong]

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Are you saying youre not obligated to pay as in dont eat there if you dont like it. Or do you actually mean you can eat there with the 8 and you can have a choice in not paying the mandatory tip?

rJ_

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I'm saying if you decide not to pay the "mandatory" tip you will never have to. This may or may not apply to situations where you rent a room, set a menu and agree to things beforehand.

[scrub]

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At many restaurants it's standard for them to put an automatic gratuity for parties with more than eight people. Let's say you're out to a nice dinner at an 8+ group and the bill is pricey, but 70% of it is the wine. Gratuity automatically put on the total. Is this cool?

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Nothing about that meal could possibly have been cool.

scrub

[Austiger]

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At many restaurants it's standard for them to put an automatic gratuity for parties with more than eight people. Let's say you're out to a nice dinner at an 8+ group and the bill is pricey, but 70% of it is the wine. Gratuity automatically put on the total. Is this cool?

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Completely standard.

[Spanaway Vin]

Not really cool, given that the dude is getting a couple hundred extra for pouring a few glasses of wine. Pretty sweet deal for him tho'.

[KinkyKid]

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depends on what the tipping percentage is

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I thought it was basically always 18% or 20%.

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orrect me if im wrong.
Standard tip used to be 10%, then out of nowhere (anyone know when) it became 15%, now many are saying 15 to 20%.

Should we assume in X years it will be 20%.

Now what causes the rise?
Hypothesis 1...minimum wage hasnt gone up but cost of living has so tips have had to rise to keep these waiters/waitresses at their current standard of living. But, who pushed for this?

Hyposthesis 2...There is a group of people who take pride in tipping more than standard amounts. These people also like to talk about it and it makes them feel better than others. This went on long enough that others began to feel the need to tip the same or else be looked down upon by waiters/others. Now these people who need to feel bigger than others that are making up for other insecurities need to push the tipping even further. These people will be the ones that push it to 25% next.

Hypothesis 3...Maybe something im missing. Or i was wrong and standard has always been 15-20%, but i grew up thinking it was 10% because thats what my parents tipped.

rJ_

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I don't know when you think it was 10%. Not saying it wasn't, but my parents were tipping 20% in the early 80s. (I only remember it from 1985 on). I think that in some cases more people have held jobs in the service industry so they know how tough it can be and have a tendency to tip more.

[gumpzilla]

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At many restaurants it's standard for them to put an automatic gratuity for parties with more than eight people. Let's say you're out to a nice dinner at an 8+ group and the bill is pricey, but 70% of it is the wine. Gratuity automatically put on the total. Is this cool?

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Nothing about that meal could possibly have been cool.

scrub

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Are we about to start hearing about non-refundable room charges again?

[MD2020]

If you don't want to tip on wine, either go to a BYOB or don't order wine.

[Austiger]

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Not really cool, given that the dude is getting a couple hundred extra for pouring a few glasses of wine. Pretty sweet deal for him tho'.

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For every table like this, the guy probably has 5 tables of girlfriends' night out with soup and salad where he runs water and bread to them for 2 hours for $3.75.

Plus, it's hardly an extra couple hundred unless we're talking about $200 bottles of wine or something.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

not cool

[samjjones]

Not cool, but in my experience, standard.

I always tip at least 20% on the total cost of the bill, and don't give consideration to pre-tax/alcohol.