Toast? - Page 2

TomBrooks · #11 08-20-2006, 05:23 AM

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Putting ourselves in a position to fold TP2K here is no good.

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Just calling the turn looks like a pretty good idea to me here. When Hero raises the Villain will fold or fold the river UI if he can't beat a pair of Aces (unless he calls too much), therefore, by just calling you will collect just as much if you are ahead. When you're behind you get three bet.

MrEngenic · #12 08-20-2006, 07:39 AM

My default line, on the turn, if I raise and get three-bet I will not be in a tough spot. I will have an easy fold, an easy cap or an easy call. If I don't know what to do I just call. I don't know if it is good or not but I stay away from a lot of trouble that way.
I would just call this down.

Carmine · #13 08-20-2006, 08:22 AM

When a reasonable player is willing to lead this turn what's the point of raising. We don't want him to fold a worse hand and I doubt his flop play coincides with a draw.

Kwaz · #14 08-20-2006, 08:32 AM

It's been said a couple times already but I don't see any value in the turn raise.

captain_swing · #15 08-20-2006, 10:19 AM

You will see check/fold a decent amount on the river from busted draws or medium pairs. You also will often be paid off for two bets on the turn and one on the river by an opponent with a ten. There is a risk in the raise, but I think there is definite value in it.

captain_swing · #16 08-20-2006, 10:21 AM

We also don't mind him folding a worse hand as he would be getting 8-1 plus at least one more implied bet on a draw with probably 5 outs but maybe 9 (if he has a gutshot+pair).

LeadbellyDan · #17 08-20-2006, 11:48 AM

Theres no way we'r good here 17% of the time or whatever it is we need. Fold to the turn 3bet - this guys stats are not that aggressive. I tend to agree that calling the turn and calling/betting the river is a better line. 2 bets are still likely to go in when we're winning and we'r not put in that nasty position when we'r dominated.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #18 08-20-2006, 12:48 PM

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My default line, on the turn, if I raise and get three-bet I will not be in a tough spot. I will have an easy fold, an easy cap or an easy call. If I don't know what to do I just call. I don't know if it is good or not but I stay away from a lot of trouble that way.
I would just call this down.

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This is exactly how everyone should play in a HU pot, dont make a move if you dont know what to do if raised.

True · #19 08-20-2006, 12:52 PM

Villain will have A9 / A7 enough here to call down.

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EDIT : I think a good line is :

Cap turn / Check/fold river UI

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ILOVEPOKER929 · #20 08-20-2006, 01:06 PM

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I think a good line is :

Cap turn / Check/fold river UI

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Dear God, I hope youre not serious. You do realize that the hero makes just as much money if winning by calling down the turn 3bet that he does by capping the turn and checking the river. Since both lines net the same amount when ahead, choosing the line that always sees the showdown has to be the superior line.