Toast?
 

He's 39/9/1.9 over 143

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero...

5.5-1?

Re: Toast?
 

Yes youre probably dead, but I still call down, I dont fold top pair against these kind of opponents no matter what the action.

Re: Toast?
 

I think it's 6.5:1 but yeah even that appears awful when you look at it that way but if you can't fold the turn (and I don't think you can) you're getting 13:1 on the river - tough fold that I should probably start making.

Re: Toast?
 

against this sort of opponent where you would hate folding to a 3 bet, is it better to just call down from the turn without raising?

Re: Toast?
 

I can only really put him on trips or a flopped straight.. Maybe even two-pair.. Either way, I think you're behind and drawing slim.. OTOH, I'm sick and tired of seeing these pigs get away with bluffs..

I personally hate these spots because I either fold and then chew myself up thinking about how I might have been ahead, and OTOH if I call-down and see 66, I think to myself, "why the hell didn't I go with my gut feeling!"

I could be way off, but against a LAG like this guy, is it ever okay to just call the turn? I think if there is any chance that the raise might get 3bet (forcing us to make a relatively big fold against a LAG or an expensive calldown) then we might as well just get to showdown for as cheap as possible.. No?

Re: Toast?
 

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against this sort of opponent where you would hate folding to a 3 bet, is it better to just call down from the turn without raising?

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Only when he 3bets, which is rarely.

Re: Toast?
 

I wouldn't classify this guy as a LAG. 1.9 with a VPiP of 39 certainly isn't passive but it isn't kamikaze either. The low pfr is also suggestive of a more passive player rather then a live one.

Re: Toast?
 

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I wouldn't classify this guy as a LAG. 1.9 with a VPiP of 39 certainly isn't passive but it isn't kamikaze either. The low pfr is also suggestive of a more passive player rather then a live one.

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39/1.9 is still aggressive enough for me to never fold this strong of a hand even after this gruesome action. I agree with you that his PFR contradicts his AF, and it may suggest some passive tendencies, but i still cant make this fold. Even if it is the right play, I cant do it. Against a passive player I can fold here all day, but I dont fully trust this guy.

Re: Toast?
 

I'd peel but fold the river UI. He's beating you right now close to 90% of the time and 90% of the time if he bets the river.

Re: Toast?
 

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against this sort of opponent where you would hate folding to a 3 bet, is it better to just call down from the turn without raising?

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Only when he 3bets, which is rarely.

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It's really not that rare. TT, 88, 66, A8, A6, AT and even T8/T6 may 3-bet here. All these are very possible holdings at this point. I agree with the top quote here, if we're going to raise this turn we have to go to showdown. Otherwise, I think we should just call it down. Putting ourselves in a position to fold TP2K here is no good.