Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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You do realize that people want to sit down and play as fast as they can. They don't want to sit around and read rules or have someone teach it to them. I've tried, and they just say "yeah yeah, lets play" and so on.

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If my understanding is correct you are working as a dealer; in the case of the dealer they probably don't want to see any activity since they will percieve that it slows the game down.

When Hawaiian Garden and the Bike used hosts to start the games in the early days of the fixed buy-in no limit boom the playing hosts would, for the most part, keep the worse excesses under control (plus sell the re-buys from big racks with zero embarrassment/comment). Usually they would make a comment during the shuffle, so the game wasn't slowed down.

Once there were many games the host system was dropped at both clubs. Hawaiian Gardens does put up a "tip of the week" poster on the podium, often dealing with an etiquette issue. I'd say at this club the behavior is a little better, but it is hard to be certain.

~ Rick

[TomBrooks]

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NL holdem ring games, a player will push all in, and another player WITHOUT cards will ask how much that is. I always say, sorry, you don't have cards. Then they get all pissy...

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Don't take it personally.

[TomBrooks]

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In recent months I've had as many as three players openly advise a player whether or not to call my all in or covering pushes.

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Hi Rick,
How did it work out when you asked them after the hand was over not to do that again, assuming that's what you did?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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In recent months I've had as many as three players openly advise a player whether or not to call my all in or covering pushes.

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Hi Rick,
How did it work out when you asked them after the hand was over not to do that again, assuming that's what you did?

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There are several somewhat long stories associated with this, some funny, some not so funny. They also lead to the bigger issue of what can and should be controlled, what probably can't or shouldn't be controlled (by card room staff), and how you as a player should handle these sorts of things in the meantime.

Unfortunately, it's about number fifty of things I need/want/have time to do so it's going to have to wait. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Regards,

Rick

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Well, just a little perspective here:

You're talking about a cash game (NLHE) that was virtually unknown in casinos just a few years ago. The main reason why they're spreading so many NL games, and in fact, the reason why the tables are so stuffed in the first place is the influx of WPT trained n00bs, aka fools with money.

In fact, it could even be argued that the main reason any of us are there completing the prophecy about fools and money is because we also were introduced or re-introduced to the game via the WPT or via the Moneymaker effect.

So, if it is your plan (and a realistic goal) to walk out of the casino with some other fool's money in your pocket, perhaps you can afford to be a little gracious while the n00bs demonstrate their ignorance. After all, if they were a little more with it, it might actually turn into an evenly matched game (which is definitely -EV).

But yeah, the dealer's the one getting caught in the middle of this, since he's not getting to keep much of the fool's money, and he has to be the enforcer. Especially the herculean task of getting the coffehousers to STFU while not in the hand.

[jba]

are they specifically asking you to break down the stacks?

honestly I dont see the big deal. obviously no one is required to answer.


I usually play limit, and sometimes I'll be out of a hand, turn to talk to someone out of the game or whatever and look back at the table to see five players in with two bets a piece. Is it bad for me to ask someone who raised? I dont feel entitled to an answer but would appreciate one. I dont direct the question to the dealer and he is the last I'd expect to answer it.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Well, just a little perspective here:

You're talking about a cash game (NLHE) that was virtually unknown in casinos just a few years ago. The main reason why they're spreading so many NL games, and in fact, the reason why the tables are so stuffed in the first place is the influx of WPT trained n00bs, aka fools with money.

In fact, it could even be argued that the main reason any of us are there completing the prophecy about fools and money is because we also were introduced or re-introduced to the game via the WPT or via the Moneymaker effect.

So, if it is your plan (and a realistic goal) to walk out of the casino with some other fool's money in your pocket, perhaps you can afford to be a little gracious while the n00bs demonstrate their ignorance. After all, if they were a little more with it, it might actually turn into an evenly matched game (which is definitely -EV).

But yeah, the dealer's the one getting caught in the middle of this, since he's not getting to keep much of the fool's money, and he has to be the enforcer. Especially the herculean task of getting the coffehousers to STFU while not in the hand.

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Good post but was it addressed to me? (It's under me in the post threading but doesn't seem in reference to my posts.) I ask because if I do get a chance to write about my experiences with coffeehousing and other problems, the "big picture" issues you mention will be included.

~ Rick

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Not addressed to anyone in particular. I read the thread in flat mode and then hit reply.

[i am run]

I dislike ignorant people/players..

[redfisher]

It's pretty standard here for the dealer to cut the raise off from the call if it's a reraise or count down the initial raise. That's not the case in Vegas?