Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
 

I get this at least a few times a week:

NL holdem ring games, a player will push all in, and another player WITHOUT cards will ask how much that is. I always say, sorry, you don't have cards. Then they get all pissy that they think they are mystically entitled to slow down the game to get a chip count when they have ZERO PENDING ACTION in the hand! Man, these F'in learned fom the WPT morons are really getting ridiculous. They all think they know every single rule and yet have zero clue.

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I get this at least a few times a week:

NL holdem ring games, a player will push all in, and another player WITHOUT cards will ask how much that is. I always say, sorry, you don't have cards. Then they get all pissy that they think they are mystically entitled to slow down the game to get a chip count when they have ZERO PENDING ACTION in the hand! Man, these F'in learned fom the WPT morons are really getting ridiculous. They all think they know every single rule and yet have zero clue.

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I could live with this one* if we could find a way to put an end to group decisions on a heads up pot after one player pushes (or group decsions in general). In recent months I've had as many as three players openly advise a player whether or not to call my all in or covering pushes. This isn't the biggest limits, but usually in games with $5 or $10 blinds and $300 to $2000 stacks. Often this total breech of ettiquette is done be decent players currently beating the games.

I have three or four ridiculous true stories already written in my disorganized mind - if I get the chance and mood I'll post them. But I'm thinking of a more important post, sorting out the problems we probably have to adjust to as players (that can't easily be controlled with policy or whatever), versus ones that the card clubs could control that in fact hurt the growth of the game. **

Anyway, TV poker has brought in lots of new players, but I get the impression when they watch the WPT or whatever they actually believe that the players can hear Mike Sexton's commentary.

~ Rick

* Photoc - In all seriousness, I'd like to get rid of the problem you mention too, but I haven't seen it much and it doesn't effect (affect? -grammar brain fart in progress) the action much or isn't super unfair compared to some of the other BS I'm seeing.

** An example of something that we probably can't stop and should be able to live with is players giving away the fact that they are folding in multiway pots with hand motion tells. But a top player understands he gets helped by this more often then he gets hurt by it and it's difficult for the dealers to put a stop to it in the real world.

Third party coffee-housing is another story. I have the feeling the Las Vegas dealers do a better job of controlling this than the LA dealers for reasons I'll get into in a future post.

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Affect.

Affect is the verby one and effect is the weirdo one. "To the effect of blah blah blah"

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effect is the weirdo one.

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I'll take "Most often a noun in usage" for $100, Alex.

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The fact that they THINK they know every single rule is their fault. Because they should know that they don't.

But the fact that they don't know every single rule is something that I think should be addressed by poker-rooms.
They are less likely to learn the rules as quickly otherwise.

Lots of n00bs playing poker who just don't know any rules at all and I think they should be elaborated just a bit more so that they are given at least SOME clue.

Some of these that I think can be posted might include elaborating on the 'one player per hand' rule to specifically state that if you aren't in the hand you are not allowed to comment on the hand in progress nor are you allowed to discuss the cards that you mucked because that knowledge could influence the other players.

Stuff like that.

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You do realize that people want to sit down and play as fast as they can. They don't want to sit around and read rules or have someone teach it to them. I've tried, and they just say "yeah yeah, lets play" and so on.

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Third party coffee-housing is another story. I have the feeling the Las Vegas dealers do a better job of controlling this than the LA dealers for reasons I'll get into in a future post.

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This is true for the most part.

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Rough shift?

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because most people are idiots. duh.

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effect is the weirdo one.

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I'll take "Most often a noun in usage" for $100, Alex.

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