1/2 NL Middle set vs. 2p2er. DEEEP

[Lucky]

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and fwiw, 30/18 isnt lag. its just bad.

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aejones is very good

[amoeba]

I don't think we can rule out flush but we obviously can't fold and I think ae is checking behind with QQ with Qd or KK with Kd so I like a weakbet that prices out but might induce a bluff from QQ no diamond or KK no diamond.

[johnnybeef]

I usually raise a bit more preflop in an effort to reduce the hands that he will take a flyer with as If I am in villain's position with that deep of stacks, I am literally calling any two. Flop, I will usually bet a little bit more to define his hand better. If you pot it, I believe that it is unprofitable for him to call without a very strong draw (don't quote me on this though.) The turn is a very difficult decision, because 9T, KQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or really anything that this board smacked is a possibility given the puny 3 bet pf. If you have been three betting him a ton (which you said that you have) there may be a good chance that he is floating you here. As such, I will probably check call the turn and bet a non river diamond (besides the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])

[terp]

Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] was double gutted on the flop, but his flop play probably rules that out

[johnnybeef]

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I'm betting about $120 on the turn and insta-calling an all-in.

Maybe he's got [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s, maybe not. Ax X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is a definite raising possibility on that turn. Two pair or a set could be getting frisky.

If he moves in over such a turn bet, you're getting $577:$205 to call, which is slightly EV- if he's got exactly a flush. AA is the only hand you're dead to. Everything else you have a massive equity edge.

I'm not worrying at all about getting the money in here if he pushes over your bet.

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I hate this line in that allows Villain to play perfectly.

[Pasterbator]

Ok, before i move on, i want to make sure im understanding this right.

If i bet ~110, what hands am i getting action from that i beat? Idk if he can play AK like this. Im sure even KdK and QdQ arent going to get involved.

A small bet like ~50 designed to get a bluff raise? I like this play better than the near pot sized bet, but im still not convinced.

How about checking? If i check, what does he bet? If he floated (maybe he put me on KK/QQ and thinks i'll make the laydown) he'll take a stab at it on the turn. If he has KdK or QdQ he's likely checking behind. If he has AxKd, does he bet that? Should he bet that type of hand, or is that a situation where you REALLY dont want to be checkraised?

ae- after i post the turn, i would definitely appreciate your thoughts on the hand.

[e_phemeral]

Why bet $110 or $120? I would bet like $80 or $90 on the turn. It's a big enough bet that if villain is still drawing to a straight or flush, he's making a mistake by calling. But yet it still leaves the hero with $250 or so in front of him. If villain pushes, it's a tough call. Very scary board. But hero would be getting almost 2 to 1 on his money and probably has to call and hope to fill up.

I put villain on a decent Ace or some kind of straight draw. If he's got a decent Ace, I think betting $110 or $120 is going to scare him away and the decent Ace is the guy you want to play against. Betting $80 or $90 is somewhat ambiguous. If he's hit the straight or flush, he's either pushing or calling your turn bet. If he calls the turn bet, then I think I check-call a blank on the river and hope that he's missed a draw and is bluffing at it. If the board gets scarier on the river, I probably check-fold. Sucks to be out of position, which is why I probably would not have reraised preflop, but rather would have just called the original raise.

I think the best action on the turn is to bet about $80 and see what happens.

[Yads]

I think leading for close to the pot is a mistake. I'd bet 1/2 to 2/3ds pot here. I want to make some money from hands I beat since I'm likely going broke on the turn if villain pushes. Villain either has AQ, AK (likely with a diamond.) AA, or 88. KK with a diamond is a possibility, but unlikely

I reraise a lot more PF too.

[Pasterbator]

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I think leading for close to the pot is a mistake. I'd bet 1/2 to 2/3ds pot here. I want to make some money from hands I beat since I'm likely going broke on the turn if villain pushes. Villain either has AQ, AK (likely with a diamond.) AA, or 88. KK with a diamond is a possibility, but unlikely

I reraise a lot more PF too.

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The reraise PF is pot sized (my standard). How much more should i be making it? Is the fact that we're so deep the reason that im raising bigger or is a bigger raise just standard?

Also, im now convinced that betting about ~1/2 pot on the turn is probably the best way to go.

[Pasterbator]

Ok, so everyone thinks a turn bet of some sort is best. Good. Obviously i checked! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Turn action: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot: $132)

I check, aejones bets $90. I ??