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05-23-2006, 09:49 PM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
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I like this given Villain's stack. But the move I like even more is the "really weak" lead. I think it gets more out of Villain when he has complete air. [/ QUOTE ] That just doesn't work at my stakes. Sounds cool against thinking players though. 
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#13
05-23-2006, 10:01 PM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
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[ QUOTE ] I like this given Villain's stack. But the move I like even more is the "really weak" lead. I think it gets more out of Villain when he has complete air. [/ QUOTE ] That just doesn't work at my stakes. Sounds cool against thinking players though. [/ QUOTE ] Really? I would think that this would work MORE at your stakes.
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#14
05-23-2006, 10:05 PM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I like this given Villain's stack. But the move I like even more is the "really weak" lead. I think it gets more out of Villain when he has complete air. [/ QUOTE ] That just doesn't work at my stakes. Sounds cool against thinking players though. [/ QUOTE ] Really? I would think that this would work MORE at your stakes. [/ QUOTE ] They don't know a big bet from a small bet.
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#15
05-23-2006, 10:59 PM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
i like it too, inducing a bluff or essentially any bet being pot-committing from villian when stacks are a bit above the size of the pot. what tournament is this, btw?
i disagree with jeff regarding the c-bet. i think this is a good move, something i dont do often but find eye-opening when discussed. how often do we try someting like this? 65% of the time seems a little like fps. if villians got a King we're prolly getting all his chips regardless of a c-bet out or check-check flop. lead-raise-call turn. good discussion.
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#16
05-24-2006, 12:17 AM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
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[ QUOTE ] standard [/ QUOTE ] Cool. How many hands do I have to play before I can recognize all standard spots? [/ QUOTE ] Well over a dozen. At least 2 dozen if you really want to get good.
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#18
05-24-2006, 01:17 AM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
if you assign a good prob to villian having KQ, KJ, KT, why is leading bad? i like the check behind to allow a bluff bet from villian on driest board ever, but why are we checking this flop so frequently? pls explain?
my point is that i can't envision so many turn cards changing anyones mind about the hand so much that they pay us off?
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#19
05-24-2006, 01:36 AM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
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if you assign a good prob to villian having KQ, KJ, KT, why is leading bad? i like the check behind to allow a bluff bet from villian on driest board ever, but why are we checking this flop so frequently? pls explain? my point is that i can't envision so many turn cards changing anyones mind about the hand so much that they pay us off? [/ QUOTE ] The turn card is irrelevant. We just want to give the opponent a chance to stab at the pot; no matter what he has stacks are too shallow to find a fold at any point during this hand. I'm doubling up a set or 2 pair every time in this pot.
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#20
05-24-2006, 04:10 AM
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Re: TPTK Slowplay
It's fine, but anyone who says that betting is bad is being ridiculous. I move allin in this exact spot 100% of the time with all hands. Anytime I check against a good player (of course after they call from the SB they probably aren't good) its immediately certain that I have a big hand. Anyway I'd probably bet real small like 300-400, to convince them to make a move on me, but to also convince them to call with something and build the pot to the extent where they feel more and more committed. Like they may decide for God knows what reason to peel one off with 77, but wouldn't have done so if the turn was a ten.
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