The 1k sngs....an interetsing observation?

[curtains]

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yea im sure the fact that I had the highest roi at the 530s on party and the highest roi at the 215s (or tied for highest, whatever) is a pure fluke. Curtains once again player hates on people who play higher stakes than him...what a shock. Oh and citanul, when someone shoves 7bb from the cutoff you shouldnt call in the bb with 22, just a little FYI.

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Yep you are the best your ROI is the highest everywhere.....at least according to you.

If you don't want me to "player-hate" you, dont run around talking about how easy a 15% ROI at the 225s, and 10% ROI at the 1ks will be and then run around like a scared chicken as soon as someone calls you on it, and comeback with "well I bet I could do 5%, or maybe let's count rakeback" etc etc.

When you say something be willing to back it up or be quiet.


Also there are plenty of people who play higher stakes than me. Yet somehow you are the only one Im "playa-hating" on. Maybe its because the things you've said about the 1ks are stupid?

Anyway its ok, very soon everyone will realize how great you are because we will be able to see your stats on sharkscope.

[suzzer99]

THIS MAY BE THE BEST THREAD I HAVE EVER READ. At the very least the best non-philosophical STTF thread.

All I have to say is if I see any of you $1k crushinators at my $60s, I'm going to laugh and expose your small e-penis to the world. Better just switch to cash if it comes to that.

[curtains]

btw let me make it clear that I don't doubt at all that bigjoe is a winning player, and he may very well be the biggest winning player and best sit and go player in the world. I really don't know. I just know that some of his comments and claims seem quite off to me. And the way in which he insults dozens of people while making these claims (ie all the "TERRIBLE" stars regulars) is even more offputting.

[Michael C.]

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Yes because of all the good players who played the $530s, one lucky soul was likely to have a 10% ROI after 1-2k of them (and of course 10% after 2000 tourneys means your true ROI could easily be 5-6%). That person happened to be you. Basically everyone else I know, whom at most you could be marginally better than, had much lower ROIs in the neighborhood of 3-6%.

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In my experience the 530's at Party were not all that good. In fact, a lot of the time, I think the 215's were better, at least in my personal experience and ROI (I played about 1500 530s on Party). A lot of it probably has to do with what hours I played them though, which tended to be in the off-hours, American time. From what I've personally seen, though, the high level Stars SNGs seem to have tougher fields, as I often see 5-6 player I know are really good, and that was seldom the case in the Party 530s.

[Al P]

Joe - why would you care about a $400 prop bet when that number of tournies is enough to get the porsche (well if they were all $1Ks)?

[bigj0e03]

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yea im sure the fact that I had the highest roi at the 530s on party and the highest roi at the 215s (or tied for highest, whatever) is a pure fluke. Curtains once again player hates on people who play higher stakes than him...what a shock. Oh and citanul, when someone shoves 7bb from the cutoff you shouldnt call in the bb with 22, just a little FYI.

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Yep you are the best your ROI is the highest everywhere.....at least according to you.

If you don't want me to "player-hate" you, dont run around talking about how easy a 15% ROI at the 225s, and 10% ROI at the 1ks will be and then run around like a scared chicken as soon as someone calls you on it, and comeback with "well I bet I could do 5%, or maybe let's count rakeback" etc etc.

When you say something be willing to back it up or be quiet.


Also there are plenty of people who play higher stakes than me. Yet somehow you are the only one Im "playa-hating" on. Maybe its because the things you've said about the 1ks are stupid?

Anyway its ok, very soon everyone will realize how great you are because we will be able to see your stats on sharkscope.

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Run around like a scared chicken? wtf are you talking about. My claim is that it is possible to achieve a 10% roi at the 1k sngs on stars. Maybe I missed something in econ class, but roi stands for return on investment, meaning in a 1100 total buy in sng it would be possible to make 110 per tournament. Now why the hell would rakeback not be included in this return on investment....? Your comments that "not all people have the same rakeback etc etc" are stupid bc everyone does have the same rakeback on stars (at least all the supernova players, and if you play 1k sngs you will be a supernova player extremely fast). Your comment that all people will not use the FPP points on the same thing is also stupid, because if someone dislikes money enough to not maximize ev thats not my problem and does not affect my "roi" (and from now on I will use the term "roi" as it is intended to be used, return on investment, and since rakeback is a return on my original investment I will include it unless otherwise specified).

When I said I would bet on a 5% roi, is because I am completely sure that I will personally have a 5% roi in a month or so (by sharkscopes standards, which is not true roi bc it does not include rakeback). Most likely it will be higher than that, but I only bet on things that are a lock (like the Bears beating arizona by 12.5 on monday night...) But whatever, you can call me a scared chicken, despite the fact that I will bet you your roll that I will squash the stars sngs. And thats really all thats important.

[bigj0e03]

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Joe - why would you care about a $400 prop bet when that number of tournies is enough to get the porsche (well if they were all $1Ks)?

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400 dollar prop bet? I would never make a bet like this for less than 50k, and would probably want it to be over 100k

[bigj0e03]

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btw let me make it clear that I don't doubt at all that bigjoe is a winning player, and he may very well be the biggest winning player and best sit and go player in the world. I really don't know. I just know that some of his comments and claims seem quite off to me. And the way in which he insults dozens of people while making these claims (ie all the "TERRIBLE" stars regulars) is even more offputting.

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Your momma is offputting

[curtains]

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yea im sure the fact that I had the highest roi at the 530s on party and the highest roi at the 215s (or tied for highest, whatever) is a pure fluke. Curtains once again player hates on people who play higher stakes than him...what a shock. Oh and citanul, when someone shoves 7bb from the cutoff you shouldnt call in the bb with 22, just a little FYI.

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Yep you are the best your ROI is the highest everywhere.....at least according to you.

If you don't want me to "player-hate" you, dont run around talking about how easy a 15% ROI at the 225s, and 10% ROI at the 1ks will be and then run around like a scared chicken as soon as someone calls you on it, and comeback with "well I bet I could do 5%, or maybe let's count rakeback" etc etc.

When you say something be willing to back it up or be quiet.


Also there are plenty of people who play higher stakes than me. Yet somehow you are the only one Im "playa-hating" on. Maybe its because the things you've said about the 1ks are stupid?

Anyway its ok, very soon everyone will realize how great you are because we will be able to see your stats on sharkscope.

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Run around like a scared chicken? wtf are you talking about. My claim is that it is possible to achieve a 10% roi at the 1k sngs on stars. Maybe I missed something in econ class, but roi stands for return on investment, meaning in a 1100 total buy in sng it would be possible to make 110 per tournament. Now why the hell would rakeback not be included in this return on investment....? Your comments that "not all people have the same rakeback etc etc" are stupid bc everyone does have the same rakeback on stars (at least all the supernova players, and if you play 1k sngs you will be a supernova player extremely fast). Your comment that all people will not use the FPP points on the same thing is also stupid, because if someone dislikes money enough to not maximize ev thats not my problem and does not affect my "roi" (and from now on I will use the term "roi" as it is intended to be used, return on investment, and since rakeback is a return on my original investment I will include it unless otherwise specified).

When I said I would bet on a 5% roi, is because I am completely sure that I will personally have a 5% roi in a month or so (by sharkscopes standards, which is not true roi bc it does not include rakeback). Most likely it will be higher than that, but I only bet on things that are a lock (like the Bears beating arizona by 12.5 on monday night...) But whatever, you can call me a scared chicken, despite the fact that I will bet you your roll that I will squash the stars sngs. And thats really all thats important.

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stopped reading after the first paragraph, but if you really want to say that ROI includes rakeback then go ahead, even though you are just about the only person on this forum who does so.

There is a clearly accepted definition of ROI on 2+2 and it doesn't include rakeback. You also happen to be posting on 2+2.

[Jackal69]

sheets,

i have a 12.9% roi in the 225s from when i used to play them and id still rather do a headstand in a bucket of doggie doo than play the 555s or the 1k turbos...

mainy though this is because there is more money in cash games - ive watched a few bubbles in the 1k turbos and imo there are still quite a few players making decent sized errors... but the early stages play so tight and the structure is so fast that the variance has to be brutal and most skilled players would do better elsewhere.

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