Dare I say it

[NHFunkii]

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Ok all,
I am done in this thread, if you get another forum so be it. I will end with this though. The unabashed sense of "entitlement" from some of you guys is saddening/sickening/etc, etc.

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justin,
objective viewpoint here, cause I am skeptical it would make a difference at all in terms of how much good players post (but maybe it would, I dunno). your posts in this thread have sucked. very very very unnecessarily condescending. reread your tone.

[ItalianFX]

I'm a microstakes player who probably will never understand the game, although I'm getting better, and I'm even saying that there needs to be a split.

I have quickly read through this entire thread since about 4 hours ago, and I have yet to see any reasons why we shouldn't.

First of all, the way it is now with alot of 4/180, my 1+.20 crap, and my $3 crap, it really is alot of basic stuff. Like I said before in a thread in the strategy forum, the better players are tired of saying the same thing over and over again, and that is really what is going on. "Fold here," "Easy Push," basically, the responses have gone down to 1 or 2 word answers because of the increasingly common situations.

[shaniac]

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What about a forum that combines high-stakes online tournaments and live high-buyin MTT strategy (which isn't really covered thoroughly on Tournament Circuit), sorry if that's been suggested already. Seems like a reasonable move. I'm not sure if I'd post more, but it seems like a good board to have.

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Shane,

Pretty much anytime you try and mingle community type forums with strategy type forums your asking for a bunch of bitching.

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Huh? No, I'm saying:

1) There is no forum dedicated to high-buyin online MTT OR high buyin live strategy.
2) We need one,
3) It does seem like a no-brainer, having read through most of the thread. I don't even see the validity of the counter-argument
4) With a new board, the MTT section will probably suck less, so I don't get the resistance. It definitely won't cause this section on 2+2 to suck more, since there's very little interesting strategic output in the current MTT forum structure. So, either a change needs to be made or the forum sucks because there is nothing more to be learned about high stakes MTTs.

[nath]

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What about a forum that combines high-stakes online tournaments and live high-buyin MTT strategy (which isn't really covered thoroughly on Tournament Circuit), sorry if that's been suggested already. Seems like a reasonable move. I'm not sure if I'd post more, but it seems like a good board to have.

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This is almost exactly what I had in mind.

[Exitonly]

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Ok all,
I am done in this thread, if you get another forum so be it. I will end with this though. The unabashed sense of "entitlement" from some of you guys is saddening/sickening/etc, etc.

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justin,
objective viewpoint here, cause I am skeptical it would make a difference at all in terms of how much good players post (but maybe it would, I dunno). your posts in this thread have sucked. very very very unnecessarily condescending. reread your tone.

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agreed.

justin you really made me [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] in this thread.

[ItalianFX]

What is so hard with experimenting with the split? It's kind of like having a Golf forum or a forum about the WWF. If it doesn't work out, then end it. I don't even know why there has to be such a disagreement. Just be open-minded. I know I'll benefit from the higher buyin discussions that I wouldn't get at the present state.

Maybe there needs to be some type of agreement that the better players won't neglect the lower buy-ins, but definitely for the sake of better strategy discussions, do the split, bring back the complex discussion, and benefit for all.

[JayPez]

i'm a longer time lurker, new poster and i'm a midstakers player $20 - $200 online.

please make the split, i would post in both forums. as a new poster i have gone to putting lots of effort in to a couple of my posts to make sure i've got some fundamentals right, but i then see the posts just drift down to page 3-4 in no time, as i'm an unknown.

why not just do it on a trial basis and see how it goes.

jp

[luckychewy]

completely agree with ansky, something that made me really scratch my head was jurollo saying people aren't going to contribute to low limit hands, as if they do now anyway? and the mods? they barely contribute as it is too.

for a while i posted hands in the MTTs forum but either got no responses, responses from a few clueless players, or very rarely i got responses from bond/adanthar/ansky/etc. the fact of the matter is making a HSMTT forum can do no harm to anyone, and i don't see why anyone would think otherwise. the argument that HS players won't comment on SS hands is completely void because they don't as it is anyway. honestly though jurollo, you seen like a nice enough guy and definitely know how to play tournament poker, i don't understand why you don't contribute more or support the forum split.

[registrar]

I'm for the split. Everyone knows it makes sense. That is all.

[Soulman]

I was all excited about a forum split until Jurollo came in and shot it down.

For the life of me, I can't understand why doesn't shouldn't happen, at least on a trial basis. Like others have said, the low buy-in threads don't get a lot of responses from high stakes players anyway. There are a few who respond to these (registrar, nath, shaundeeb and Cornell come to mind), and I suspect they view this as 'community service' more than a learning experience anyway, and thus would continue to do so even after a forum split. I know I would post at least as much, and probably more, in the low buy-in forum than I respond to low buy-in threads now - I do believe in giving back [insert joke here].