Top10 college teams (10/4/2006)

[teamdonkey]

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Ohio State would thoroughly whip 5 of 12, beat 7 of 12, and play for 4 quarters with 12 of 12. Ohio State, over 10 games, would not beat LSU, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, or Georgia more than 5 times.

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This part is beyond completely crazy.

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[teamdonkey]

Michigan will be fine without Manningham until Ohio State. MT2R, i'd be happy to put money on the Iowa/PennSt games with you at the percentages you mentioned.

[MyTurn2Raise]

sorry...Pinny would give me +228, not +186 for Penn St

[bernie]

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All I'm saying is that if Michigan played LSU and I was offered even money odds, I'd jump on LSU. Same goes for Auburn and Florida.

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Especially since, with those teams, Michigan would have to travel and play them their house, god forbid they make the trip.

To me, this takes alot away from some of those teams and their conference: Look at this years schedule with the new 12 game format. 2-3 of the big SEC teams everyone mentions(along with the alot of other teams in the conference) play 8 games at home and 4 away. The other 2 play only 5 away games. 7 at home. All of the tough OOC games are at home this year. This is also a trend throughout the conference. Other than Vandy.

This finding isn't just limited to this year, either. Until they start playing a bit more outside of their backyard, I'm not going to give them a whole lot of credit.

That said, I think Florida is a monster this year.

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I also don't think the SEC is the best conference this year, but I believe they have more good teams than any other conferece. I think the best conference is the PAC10.


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I'm suprised you didn't burst into flames upon completing that sentence. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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[bernie]

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Try looking outside the SEC, there are a lot of great teams in the country, and very few (1, maybe 2) are in the SEC.

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I can guaran-[censored]-tee you that MyTurn2Raise (and myself)watch way more college football than you could ever want to. I promise you. I'm also fairly confident in saying that because he does watch a [censored] more than you do that he KNOWS more than you do.

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Though I agree with MyTurn2Raise on alot of stuff, him aside, just watching alot of games doesn't always mean one auto-knows more. There are alot of broadcasters that watch alot of ball, but know very little.

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Ohio State, over 10 games, would not beat LSU, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, or Georgia more than 5 times.

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I'd take that bet. Especially if they played equally 5 times at both places.

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[MyTurn2Raise]

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Michigan will be fine, though the Iowa game will be tougher. If they can get through those two games, they can cruise to the OSU game, and Manningham will have plenty of time to recover.

Also, LSU sucks. People seem to think that talent equates to being a good team. It's funny how people like MyTurn2Raise can continue saying that LSU and the like are great teams when they cannot even beat any halfway decent team. Also, Auburn loses to Arkansas and barely beats South Carolina, another great example of an SEC team that people can't stop sucking off, but who have shown nothing great.

Try looking outside the SEC, there are a lot of great teams in the country, and very few (1, maybe 2) are in the SEC.

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interesting that this LSU topic came up bigtime today


here are some random tidbits from guys who are paid to break down game film every single day

this all came from ESPNU's "college Coaches Spotlight Show,"
which is the best content per minute show on tv today IMO.
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Tom Luginbill
"Going into this football game [LSU-Florida], and both these bozos next to me {Todd McShay and Mike Hall] will admit it and say it, LSU was probably the hottest, most physical, athletic team going into this game in the top 10. But, when you turn the ball over 5 times, you have no semblence of a running game, and you can't rush the passer with what is arguably the top front 7 possibly in college football, then you deserve to lose and you deserve to lose big, which they did."
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later Luginbill and Todd McShay agree that they thought LSU had the best defense in the country coming into the game this past weekend, but now both believe it is Florida.
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after clips from Les Miles coaching conference, the fun continues


Tom Lugibill: "This [LSU] is a very talented football team. I don't think anybody that studied this team wasn't more than shocked to see how they performed on the road....will they play to the level of their talent?"

Todd McShay: "I still think they are a better overall football team than Florida. ..."

Luginbill: "I totally agree with that statement. ...."

Host Mike Hall: "Hang on a second! Florida is 6-0, number 2 in the country, LSU head-to-head, LSU has 2 losses. Both of you are telling me that the Tigers are a better team?!"

Both MchShay and Luginbill answer at the same time saying talent wise, better overall players, potential wise-Yes!

McShay: "they [LSU] don't deserve to, I'm not saying they deserve to be ranked higher or have a chance at winning the SEC. I'm just saying, from a talent perspective, they are better than Florida and I think they are better than Auburn. When you have that much talent and you don't win the big games, it starts to come down on the head coach. It's early, but people at LSU are not very patient."

Luginbill: "Other teams in the SEC and their coaches will tell you that LSU is the most talented football team in their conference, and as Todd said, all of a sudden you don't win some big games and you play poorly in those big games, it really starts to take its toll on you."

McShay: "Talent doesn't always equal wins or success. The New York Yankees now have the best talent in baseball and they are getting ready to play some golf in the offseason. The point that Tommy and I are making is that they have the best talent in the SEC. They're just not playing upto that level."
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I thought this all was very interesting since it came up right as I defended LSU here.

Remember, LSU didn't look all that great in the SEC title game last year, but responded by beating Miami 40-3 in the Peach Bowl. This is a great team that just keeps screwing up in the big games. They were controlling Florida until they fumbled the snap at the 1, failed to block a punt and muffed the return of that same punt, and their return man fumbled the opening kickoff of the second half for a safety. I have high doubts that Michigan would control the game at Auburn or at Florida.

[Victor]

the opinions of these guys is ludicrous. uh, if they had so much talent why didnt they "have a semblance of a running game"? "can't rush the passer with what is arguably the top front 7 possibly in college football?"

i can understand saying they were unlucky or made stupid mistakes and turnovers, but if they truly had all this talent they woulda made more good plays and shown their dominance on the majority of plays. clearly they havent. auburn game was close but they were just dominated by florida. i mean, there is no way anyone with a clue can say lsu is better than florida.

[MyTurn2Raise]

i have no idea how to respond--
these guys (McShay and Luginbill) are the best in the business
They are money makers when it comes to giving me info for betting
No one else on tv comes close

anyone who watches game film and breaks it down realizes LSU was controlling Florida, but screwed it up.
They were not dominated at all.
They were outcoached badly.

Florida moved the ball decently early when LSU used a 3 man front. LSU quickly adjusted and shut them down. LSU moved the ball with ease and were about to punch in their second td in their first 3 drives of 70 yards+. Add in the muffed punt and the terrible kickoff return. Then, Meier got them on the long Tebow pass when LSU's safety, Francis, was out injured.
The last few picks came in desperation time.
They were not dominated at all.

I'm beginning to understand why you think Ohio State of 2002 was one of the best champions despite probably being in the bottom half of Buckeye teams over the past 15 years.

[MyTurn2Raise]

Compare the rankings of LSU and Florida

LSU has all the tools and is a legitimate national title contender. They've failed to put it together on the field.

[bonds]

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"When you have that much talent and you don't win the big games, it starts to come down on the head coach. It's early, but people at LSU are not very patient."

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Quoted for absolute truth. The Les Miles run-out-of-town-on-a-rail watch started the moment he was hired. If LSU loses two more games this year, he'll be lucky to be back next season -- and even if he is he'd better do something spectacular if he wants to stay.

BTW, rather get into a debate over whether the elite of the Big 10 can play at least even with the elite of the SEC (they can), how about this: Which conference has biggest patsies at the bottom? Who's weaker, Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana or Mississippi State, Kentucky, and Ole Miss/Vandy?