Hellmuth's Place? - Page 10

MCS · #91 06-12-2007, 07:10 PM

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No one in this thread has 11 WSOP Bracelets.....

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This is a terrible argument, and that should be obvious to everyone capable of using a computer.

Bill Murphy · #92 06-12-2007, 09:45 PM

Phil's record in live NLHE tournaments pretty much speaks for itself. Nit: two of his bracelets are in limit (& back to back years too) & one is in pot-limit. I believe he's also the only one w/bracelets in all three styles. He also won a big 7-stud tourney in Europe years ago.

He's done a great job in branding himself, and developing his playing style and esp. the perception of that style.

There's a lot not to like about him, and quite a bit to REALLY not like, but gotta give credit where it's due; gg phil.

Ivey is a great NLHE tourney player. Check his record at Hendon Mob. He just has caught his cards in other events at the WSOP so far.

Doyle recently said that if he'd known how much people were going to talk about bracelets he'd have played more events. Mickey Mantle said about Canseco back in '88, "Hell, if I'd known 40-40 was such a big deal I'd have done it too."

Al Mirpuri · #93 06-13-2007, 01:26 AM

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No one in this thread has 11 WSOP Bracelets.....

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No one in this thread has a PhD in English so discussion over?

Get real.

Al Mirpuri · #94 06-13-2007, 02:11 AM

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i hope this is a leveling thread, he isnt even in the top 1000 best cash game players, probably not the top 15,000. So he is nowhere near the best NLHE player, you could say that he is one of the top live NLHE tourney players of all time, he beats weak fields and plays all tournies.

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hahaha...this is good stuff.

I think over 100 top pros were in Event 15 with him.

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It doesn't matter that 100 good players were in Event 15. There were 2400 complete [censored] donkeys. I played in it. It was an amazingly soft field. I played with 30-40 different players, and I only played with one decent player other than myself, and I am nowhere near Phil's skill level. Why do people keep saying this stuff.

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Okay. All the players are donkeys in these tournaments that Phil has won. If there was even one pro in those fields, why did that pro (or all the other pros for that matter) take advantage and beat the donkeys to the tune of eleven bracelets. There was/is nothing stopping Negreau, for instance, or any other name pro from winning eleven bracelets so why have they not done so?

vhawk01 · #95 06-13-2007, 02:20 AM

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i hope this is a leveling thread, he isnt even in the top 1000 best cash game players, probably not the top 15,000. So he is nowhere near the best NLHE player, you could say that he is one of the top live NLHE tourney players of all time, he beats weak fields and plays all tournies.

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hahaha...this is good stuff.

I think over 100 top pros were in Event 15 with him.

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It doesn't matter that 100 good players were in Event 15. There were 2400 complete [censored] donkeys. I played in it. It was an amazingly soft field. I played with 30-40 different players, and I only played with one decent player other than myself, and I am nowhere near Phil's skill level. Why do people keep saying this stuff.

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Okay. All the players are donkeys in these tournaments that Phil has won. If there was even one pro in those fields, why did that pro (or all the other pros for that matter) take advantage and beat the donkeys to the tune of eleven bracelets. There was/is nothing stopping Negreau, for instance, or any other name pro from winning eleven bracelets so why have they not done so?

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They're working on it?

Or luck? Someone has to run the hottest, you know. You make it sound like its impossible that a marginally better player could win less bracelets than a marginally worse player. Asked a different way, what do you think Hellmuths true expectation in bracelets is, over his career thus far? You think its more or less than 11?

Al Mirpuri · #96 06-13-2007, 04:37 AM

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Does anyone know how many WSOP events Phil has entered over the course of his career?

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This is impossible to say because there is no record that a player entered a tournament if they don't cash.

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Whoever runs the WSOP should know as in order to assign seats your name must be on a list...Whether these records are kept long after the tournament(s) in question and whether it would be made available to the general public is another matter.

Al Mirpuri · #97 06-13-2007, 05:10 AM

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i hope this is a leveling thread, he isnt even in the top 1000 best cash game players, probably not the top 15,000. So he is nowhere near the best NLHE player, you could say that he is one of the top live NLHE tourney players of all time, he beats weak fields and plays all tournies.

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hahaha...this is good stuff.

I think over 100 top pros were in Event 15 with him.

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It doesn't matter that 100 good players were in Event 15. There were 2400 complete [censored] donkeys. I played in it. It was an amazingly soft field. I played with 30-40 different players, and I only played with one decent player other than myself, and I am nowhere near Phil's skill level. Why do people keep saying this stuff.

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Okay. All the players are donkeys in these tournaments that Phil has won. If there was even one pro in those fields, why did that pro (or all the other pros for that matter) take advantage and beat the donkeys to the tune of eleven bracelets. There was/is nothing stopping Negreau, for instance, or any other name pro from winning eleven bracelets so why have they not done so?

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They're working on it?

Or luck? Someone has to run the hottest, you know. You make it sound like its impossible that a marginally better player could win less bracelets than a marginally worse player. Asked a different way, what do you think Hellmuths true expectation in bracelets is, over his career thus far? You think its more or less than 11?

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People have not been talking marginally worse, people have been saying Hellmuth superdonk. As for luck, someone has to run the hottest, hahahahaha. Yeah, it is all luck baby.

NickMPK · #98 06-13-2007, 10:36 AM

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Or luck? Someone has to run the hottest, you know. You make it sound like its impossible that a marginally better player could win less bracelets than a marginally worse player. Asked a different way, what do you think Hellmuths true expectation in bracelets is, over his career thus far? You think its more or less than 11?

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I'm not sure I would say that Hellmuth's true expectation was less than 11 bracelets. Sure you have to get very very lucky to win a 3,000 player tournament. But check out his earlier record, especially 1992-1996. He was crushing tournaments that weren't the WSOP, weren't NLHE, and had smaller fields much more concentrated with pros. If he was just lucky to win 11 bracelets, he wouldn't have the record for most WSOP cashes as well. He's made eight Omaha final tables without ever winning a bracelet...you have to figure he got unlucky at somepoint there, right?

JooWish622 · #99 06-13-2007, 12:36 PM

I god damn [censored] hate pussy [censored] posts like this from [censored] goddamn nobodies and then they [censored] defend their stupid ass post with no god damn [censored] knowledge of what the hell they're dick [censored] pieces of ass [censored] [censored] mother [censored] talking about it. I [censored] hate it.

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With Phil's record setting # of cashes and now bracelets does this cement him as the World's best No Limit player?

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grdred944 · #**100** 06-13-2007, 01:35 PM

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So no one wants the bracelets?

Wow, never heard that one before.

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He/she wrote 'most' not 'no one' and I would tend to agree. In a field of 2600 MOST are thinking cash and not bracelet. Hellmuth and MOST TV pros and those who $600K will not matter much to, can say they want the bracelet and mean it. I'd love to have a bracelet but if someone told me I could have a bracelet and a minimal amount of money for winning a $1500 WSOP event or I could have $600K and no bracelet, I'd take the money. And MOST people would be kidding themselves if they said differently.