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#31
03-27-2006, 08:10 PM
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Re: Hand vs stox
while theres not many combos that give him a flush, his actions scream that he hit. when a player shows strength, slows down, then shows strenght again its generally very strong.
also, i think hes gonna give more action on the turn given that board if he had a monster like a set. it really looks like a flush with 108h or kqh or k10h or a10h. i suppose j5s is a possibility too. that said ive never played stox and or on crypto. against the good tags i see regularly i wouldnt 3bet here tho. 
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#33
03-28-2006, 12:18 PM
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Re: Hand vs stox
Call because of the heart. If it's a non-heart river, this question becomes more interesting.
Edit: Nevermind, that makes no sense given his PF and flop plays. Villain pretty much never hits a backdoor flush here unless he is a maniac.
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#35
03-28-2006, 07:05 PM
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Re: Hand vs stox
I understand that there is a lot of history between the two, but raising the river with that board? I don't see how you could do anything else but call. Getting 4 bet sucks, and I can't really think of a single worse hand he would pay off a 3 bet with on the river that he would play this way. I think Schneids' read that he has Th8h is a good one.
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#37
03-29-2006, 04:01 AM
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Re: Hand vs stox
BK posts a hand vs another well respected poster. 4300 views and 35 repsonses later, BK's repsonded once without results. The other poster has yet to respond.
Coming back to this thread is like staying up late watching the Academy Awards and finally saying to yourself "What the f*ck am I even doing even paying attention to this sh*t. Who gives a fck?" Is this kind of like a bone to the forum to chew on?
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#39
03-29-2006, 06:50 AM
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Re: Hand vs stox
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Call. He's got Th8h sooooo often there. Plus on that board I don't think he waits till the river to make a fancy schmancy KJ (he'd raise the turn) or KK (which I think he never has when he raises the river) raise or something. He'd do it on the turn, way too much out there for him to "delay" his raise till the river. [/ QUOTE ] i wrote a 1page post on this hand before i got bad beat by the phoenix airport's weak ass internet bullsh*t that kept the post from going through. i initially thought it was a 3bet for a few of the reasons mentioned. after talking to a few others, and given that stox has slowed down alot recently so as not to get moved off hands, and the flop went 4 bets (and he'd easily do it w/ hand you suggest) the fact that he CANT 4 bet with a worse hand doesn't mean 3betting is correct. he just doesn't hav ethe calling frequency w/ a jack or 76s (given the flop play) as many seem to think. i also think this post, while interesting, is both semi-trivial (i loved it but thats just b/c i know the guys involved) and tough at the same time. but the more you think about how good of a player stox is (he is folding the Jacks here many of you think he's calling) it's really not a clear 3 bet. in fact, its not a 3 bet at all. i call here. Barron
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#40
03-29-2006, 07:00 AM
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Re: Hand vs stox
Has to be a call. You are losing to both a flush and a full house. Why would you want to raise since you're not folding and he is very unlikely to. He may easily have been playing 88/99 or QT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or JJ [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] . the number of times he folds to a raise (and since you will want to fold to a 4-bet as you're almost certainly toast) it's so marginal - I would rather see his cards to see why he called the turn after the flop action (tricky, or on a draw).
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