stars 2/4

[durrrr]

hand is played by a friend of mine, he's 1 of the most winning 2/4 players @ stars- so villain probably knows him; however he doesnt have much info on villain.

There was a previous hand where hero raised button to 12, villain reraised small (30ish), and hero called w/ 78s. Flop A72 c/c, turn 8, sb chks, hero ~pots, villain c/rs, hero pushes villain calls. AK no good for a stack.

Villains on about 3 of hero's tables when this hand comes up.

villain (925)
hero (covers)

hero raises to 12 w/ Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], villain reraises to 34 from SB.

(70$) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
villain pots, hero calls

(210$) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] t [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
villain checks, hero bets 140, villain calls.

(490$) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] t [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
villain checks... HERO??

[soah]

If you bet here is it for value or a bluff?

[durrrr]

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If you bet here is it for value or a bluff?

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could be either.

[adsanman12]

Ok this is my hand, i showed it to Durrrr and made him post it b/c he is my bitch. Anyway two things to clear up: the hand is 6max and I raised utg with QQ, and also in the previous hand we played i was OOP and the action went check/check on the flop, turn i lead for 48 he raises to 144 i shove (we both started the hand with 400).

[TurboLink]

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If you bet here is it for value or a bluff?

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I think this is a clear check.

I don't know if I'm ahead or being trapped. When I'm not sure, a check behind seems prudent. I don't see a bet folding KK/AA. I don't see many worse hands calling.

[soah]

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If you bet here is it for value or a bluff?

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could be either.

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Until we figure out what it is, I'm sure not betting. His range should be like AA-TT or something, right? Barring additional information, betting just looks like a way to boost variance. And possibly -EV.

[TheWorstPlayer]

I agree. I'd rather miss out on a very very small bit of potential value in a big pot than either value bet his better marginal hand for him or give myself a chance to lose the pot by folding the winner. I don't try to bluff people off of AA/KK (it doesn't work) and I don't think you have a +EV vb here.

[klonpucko]

wow, it would be such a weird way to play AA/KK for him. and it would take balls to try to checkraise the river if he hit a two-outer on turn/river. i don't know if it's wishful thinking but it really looks like we have him beat and there's a great chance he'd pay off with like JJ. if value were the only thing on our minds here, i think i'd bet, but it sure is slim and the fact that we would absolutely LOVE to see his hole cards here makes it a check in my opinion.

[soah]

I didn't see the T on the turn.

And how is this a weird way to play AA/KK?

[Megenoita]

I agree. I understand Thwworstplayer's arguments but man, just really doesn't feel like he'd play AA/KK that way. I think a value bet is +EV, though thin. I'm curious as to the results as I'm a results-oriented fish.