Life Time Running Bad

[Keystone]

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Is it possible to run bad forever?

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NO!

[Fonzi]

I cant see any reason why a certain highly improbably anomoly couldnt exist. For instance some people get diseases that only 1 in a million can get. this is just very bad luck. you could have just been unlucky for a while. a very long while but at least you dont have an incurable disease. the one thing going for you is that random events dont have memory, so unfortunately you wont now get 750k of good luck but you know that whatever happens it will be fair. Some people are extremely lucky they start at .25/.50 and 6 months later are playing 5/10, it just happens, not cause their good, maybe their not even winning players strategy wise but just get lucky and learn as they go. My advice is to stick with it and never give up, unless you dont enjoy it, but Ive found that even at my lowest moments I can still be surprised when things start going my way and then continue to go my way, all the way from .25/.50 up to 5/10. So try the lower limits, the players are so weak that you might be able to learn how to run good and then translate that up to a game that is more meaningful to you.

best of luck

THE Fonzzz

[Reef]

I'm guessing you haven't even played enough hands in the last 3 years to reach the "longrun"

[Zim]

That's why you should ignore the advice from successful players, and start with your own handicaps.

These were mine:

1) I'm a bad player.
2) Murphy's law is in full effect.

As for the former, we simply have to limit the subjectivety in the game. For me, that meant sticking to NL ... with a shortstack.

As for the latter, accepting the fact that suckouts are going to happen more frequently against me ... how can I play in such a way to minimize someone capitalizing on them against me? (see above)

For the last 20,000 hands, I'm consistently winning. For the first time ever.

That all said, I'm now curious about pure nut-peddling strategies. Hey, we all have our limitations ... and playing solid poker is losing poker for me.

But I tend to profit from abusing the nature of NL.

Good luck.
Z.

(ps But yah, all that said and done, it's entirely possible you are the one in million that will always lose no matter what. Improbable, but entirely possible. And in an infinite universe, with infinite worlds, and infinite realms, there's a lot of you out there. Sh!t happens.)

[Simplistic]

jesusson, you honestly sound like a losing poker player.

30% VPIP might be fine for an expert player who can play postflop, but if you cannot properly play postflop, then this leads me to believe that you're spewing chips here.

[sweetjazz]

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First of all, I have read posts where winning (high limit) players are put in 50 and even 60 percent voluntary. If for meta game purposes is besides the point. The point being that 30 vpip may seem high to some and low to other.

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No winning player plays 50% of his hands in a 6-handed game. Those high VPIPs come from 2-3 handed games. Playing 30% before the flop is fine for good players; these players generally have 30/22 PF stats, not 30/15. You are either cold-calling too many raises or open-limping too often.

Blah, folding to river 3-bets is not a key for winning low limit HE. In fact almost all hands where you raise the river you should be willing to call a 3-bet. People are supposed to hit their few outers every so often. In one previous post you mentioned about winning 4 BB/100 over a 50K sample I believe -- this is runnning incredibly hot, but you don't seem to even acknowledge this.

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So, in theory is it possible to be doomed to lose by the cards even if you are playing what is considered winning poker?

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Yes, theoretically it is possible to run bad for any finite number of hands. As that number gets larger, the likelihood that losing is the result of running bad goes down and the likelihood that you have leaks in your game goes up. Winning play will always win in the long run, but that long run can be very long.

But I will reiterate that based on your posts, your approach to HE suggests to me that you are a small winner at best in the games you are playing, and thus you must expect to have long stretches of losing/breakeven results when you run bad unless you improve at the game.

[KITT2006]

I can tell you a story about one of my friends. He had a really nice start on his poker career. He started out winning big compared to the buyin. But then he started loosing all the money he had won over the next 3-4 month. When he thought he had lost his last penny, he found out that he had actually played his bonus free. 100$.

From that point he gave a last shot. he said to himself this was like starting out again. he delete his pokertracker database and started it all out again. His mind was free, not thinking of loosing, looking on red numbers. He was winning again.

Now hes doing really well

[jt1]

It's possible to run bad for an entire lifetime: It's very unlikly to run bad for an entire lifetime.

If I were in your shoes (I'm assuming you have a regular job) -- I'd do down to 2/4 HE limit full ring and play ABC poker. That is, quite simply, to not play s.c. with less than 4 players already in, to not cold call with AQ or worse, to not cold call with pp, only 3-bet with TT-AA & AK, to never bluff, to never fold top pair for one more bet, to never fold top pair to a turn donk or c/r, and to only play about the top 15% and to raise about 10% of your hands. I'd also only play 4 tables at once & post 1-2 hands a night.

[jesusson]

Wow, you have all been really helpfull and I thank you. I hit a royal flush last night after losing 100bb in about 500 hands so maybe I have a little "luck" in me...

I am going to start a new poker tracker database and go from there. The main things I will focus on are playing less hands, possibly full ring (although boring and slow to me), and working on skills rather than results.

I think keeping a running post about my progress may be helpful. I'm not sure where to post this since I play many forms of this wonderful game (trying to please the poker gods). Any suggestions?

Also, I think it might be fun to play any of you; name your game and stakes (bankroll dependent of course) and I'm all for it. This way it will be easy to see if "I always run bad". I may look into getting a coach as well.

If there is a way to counter this running bad theme, I will try it. Thanks again.

[rabbitlover]

Every play can run bad for a very long time; except Ivey and it just hasn't hit him yet.

Good cards