Sometimes SNGs aren't poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?

[Nicholasp27]

one more question: if bb is sitting out but has <1bb, doesn't he still get to play since he's automatically put 'all-in' and thus cannot fold? or does stars (and what about party?) still make him fold even tho he's all-in automatically?

[gumpzilla]

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Limp calling makes my stomach turn. I guess if you have a lot of gamble in you, like the guy that bet 5 grand that he can keep a 20% ROI at the 215's, it's ok.

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More like if you have even a tiny amount of gamble in you. QQ just utterly annihilates a random hand here. If the big stack has really been a true spaz, then there's nothing to worry about.

Open folding is clearly terrible. Calling and folding to a push over the top isn't terrible but I don't think I'd do it. Pushing and limp-calling seem about the same to me, and I think limp-calling may even be preferable if it widens the range you get pushed over to include the hands that you're smashing into the ground instead of merely a lot of 3 outers.

[Daliman]

Play the hand out normally, fold leaving yourself over 500 chips if necessry later, but QQ is way too strong to fold here preflop. If you wanna hedge your bets, raise to 1000 or allin. You will be FAR ahead , 70% or better, VERY often. THis isn;t life or death, it's just poker.

[TightIsRight]

I'm fairly sure that you cannot win a showdown when you are sitting out, although this was not always the case on Stars

[gumpzilla]

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I'm fairly sure that you cannot win a showdown when you are sitting out, although this was not always the case on Stars

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This is correct.

[Nicholasp27]

well if u can't win a showdown, then my line of folding here and then calling starting next hand will work just as well...


bottom line: folding or calling here guarantees u 2nd if they can't even play an auto-all-in on your site...which is better depends on if u think bb will fold or not...



thanks for the thread, tightisright...it's good to have a discussion that isn't just sngpt push/fold...we got to look at the other things that should be considered than just an icm hand in a vaccum

[Nicholasp27]

btw, i think this thread has proven that this sng was still poker...it gave us even more to think about than normal

[TightIsRight]

I was a dozen beers deep when I played the hand, so I said [censored] it and called. I played the hand, I think, the worst way possible.

I think it's probably just a fold b/c the sitting out hand cannot win a showdown, and in 3 hands I will be HU ITM.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t2995)
SB (t5675)
BB (t330)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
[color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t600</font>, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to t5675</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls t2395 (All-In).

Flop: (t8870) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t8870) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t8870) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t8870

Villain flips up A2o

[livinitup0]

I'd play it standard.....the cool thing about this hand is that you can lose 89% of your stack here and still fold into the money. Anyone disagree?

[Nicholasp27]

many people liked your line of raising to induce an any2 reraise all-in so u have a 70-80% chance of winning

i don't, as now that we know the software won't allow bb to play no matter what (unless he wakes up from his coma), we are 100% to get 2nd with 2200ish of the 9k...so we have about 42% equity if we just fold/call until bb is gone

if we lose this hand (20% of the time), then we have 0% equity

if we win, we go up to 6k, giving us 55%ish equity

.55*x&gt;.42
x&gt;76%

so it's close...if he really calls any2, then it's ok to push here (higher variance), but if he calls with maybe top 70%, then it's not, as you won't win 76% against that range and the 30% that he folds won't up your equity much at all